Robotics Timeline General News Thread

[Trivial]

For about models, i somehow managed to find some fan-made model arts, like
- SX
- AX
- FA
- HA
- OA
- LA
- PA
- etc.

 

[Tcatomon]

lol. The four guardian biometals were probably my second favourite to use. Levi for finding junk, Phantom for the charge shiruken, and Harp for just being awesome in general.

That's probably my biggest complaint about EXE and Ryuusei.. I want to play THE game, not eight different versions of the same bloody thing. It's one reason I fell out of Pokemon. I enjoyed Red.. then I got Pearl. None of the middle games hold an interest for me because it's "more of the same thing". .. I just wanted to play a pokemon again that wasn't 8-bit
At least in Pearl it doesn't feel like it's totally "over" until you're 300 something hours into it. Once you get the national pokedex there's still stuff to fiddle around with. I can understand the need to have two different versions in a "gotta catch em all" game like Pokemon (I just wish they'd chill on the 500 + critters, plus with the wifi the different versions matter for nothing since you can trade a lvl 1 mudkip for a lvl 100 Palkia.. I've done this ;p), but for Rockman...? It's basically the same game except "well, this thing can FLY rather than RUN" ... e_e If they wanted to hold my interest in the series mash all versions together into one and give us a chance to use either the Leo, Pegasus, or Dragon forms. ...like they did with ZX.
Here's where people argue with me "but you can link and do so-and-so with it". So what? I'm 25 years old, I don't know a single other person in my area who even *plays* video games let alone likes the games I do. System linking? Don't really care.. it's not as fun to play against people you don't know (I play Halo.. it's boring going multiplayer-solo).
Ten to one most parents are only going to buy their kid one version anyway (Gawd knows I'd only buy one version of ANYTHING), so while everyone's running out to find "Rockman Plaid version" stores are going to have a surplus of "Rockman Chartreuse".
From a business stand point that's stupid. You'd have to asume that everyone would want each version equally so you weren't left with stuff people didn't want. Which isn't the case, people as a whole want ONE version. People who have their heart dead set on owning "Plaid" aren't going to settle for "Chartreuse".
(This is my other argument for it.. XD nice timing on the site's part.. http://vgcats.com/comics/images/080519.jpg )

Speaking of "Everything comes in threes".. notice the movie market? Now everyone thinks movies would be better in trilogies. I haaaaate it. MAKE SOMETHING NEW, stop trying to live up to the expectations of the first.

And somehow I turned it into a mini-rant o.0 hurr hurr. Sorry about that, but it went with the topic at hand XD;;
I guess the point I'm trying to make is it's risky to try to be different, yes.. look what happened to X7, but occasionally you may get it right (look at how many people are a drooling fanbase to see a Rockman 8 because of it). ZX is a clear example of what's *different*. It's nothing like I've played before. The only thing I can remotely compare it to is Castlevania.. which as a whole are *awesome*. It feels like a step up from Zero and I like the free range exploring and side quest stuff they let you do rather than just 'off to the next level'.
I just hope the next game wont have so many biometal forms as ZX:A did. Once I had them I never used them aside from getting from point A to B. It seemed like mostly filler and fanservice to me. My main problem of it is [Character] now has all these forms.. and they'll completely lose them by the next game with no explanation as to *why*.

I really want to beat up Aeolus, Siarnaq, Atlas, and Thetis before the series is over though. XB And maybe figure out how to get Prometheus and Pandora away from Albert's influence. .. I'd like to see them turn to the side of Ash/Grey like Harpuia did in the end.

For about models, i somehow managed to find some fan-made model arts, like...

Oh gawd.. don't even get me *started* on my rants for fancharacters and their need to follow the new game trends and forms XP

 

[PrimoPiccolo]

I can understand the need to have two different versions in a "gotta catch em all" game like Pokemon, but for Rockman...? It's basically the same game except "well, this thing can FLY rather than RUN" ... e_e If they wanted to hold my interest in the series mash all versions together into one and give us a chance to use either the Leo, Pegasus, or Dragon forms. ...like they did with ZX.

Agreed. The way I see it, they just got lazy come Ryuusei. In EXE, there were so many different freakin' forms that had to be gained from different bosses/friends that shoehorning all of them into one game didn't make sense, but for not only two, but THREE different versions of the first Ryuusei game, just for one power-up you don't get until 2/3 of the way through, giving you NO chance to think strategically in battle other than "use Star Force/don't use Star Force"? They just wanted money. >___>

ZX = kickass old skool platform goodness

 

[Zodiac]

Agreed. The way I see it, they just got lazy come Ryuusei. In EXE, there were so many different freakin' forms that had to be gained from different bosses/friends that shoehorning all of them into one game didn't make sense, but for not only two, but THREE different versions of the first Ryuusei game, just for one power-up you don't get until 2/3 of the way through, giving you NO chance to think strategically in battle other than "use Star Force/don't use Star Force"? They just wanted money. >___>

ZX = kickass old skool platform goodness

What about the Cybeasts (BN6)? (Well, then again, you still had the Cross-System... what am I talking about?)

I haven't played ZX. Is it a DS game, or is it for something like the PS3 (XD, I can't believe I just said that, the PS3 is for 3-D games...)?

I didn't play the game and I wanted it. Now I'm glad I didn't get it. You know what they should have done, they should have made a "Denpa-Fuse" option which would be similar to (ElecTeam/DublSoul/CroSystm) in the EXE series. Except for the fact that no Denpa-form is friendly... that's a problem.

 

[Tcatomon]

I'll pretend I understood of half of what you said. XD;; lol

Yeah, ZX is for the DS. Probably the best option so far for handhelds since it's backwards compatible (Zero series! ^^)... even if my thumbs find Zero series awkward to play on DS >>; *hugs her widdle GBA SP*

 

[Zodiac]

I'll pretend I understood of half of what you said. XD;; lol

Yeah, ZX is for the DS. Probably the best option so far for handhelds since it's backwards compatible (Zero series! ^^)... even if my thumbs find Zero series awkward to play on DS >>; *hugs her widdle GBA SP*

I'll pretend I understand half of what everyone's saying about the game. (I NEED THIS INFO FOR MY FANFIC!!!)

ZX stands for "Zero X", if I'm mistaken. (Yes, if I am mistaken. I have no idea what it is, actually.)

I have all the Zero games on emulator. I've only actually played 1 and 3 to the end and even then it was only 59% (average of 59p per mission. I suck that much even with save-state capabilities ). I don't have enough money for a real DS yet, so I'm starting to save up. The only reason I haven't started playing ZX (or even Ryuusei) yet is because I don't have a DS and there isn't a good emulator out, not to mention that even an emulator could simulate the real game experience, considering there's a touch-screen involved. (I'm pretty sure the touch screen isn't an essential part of any DS game that doesn't require drawing, but I'd still like to use the touch screen.)

 

[Tcatomon]

ZX Is just that, Z and X. Named after the first two biometals you get in the game.

I was just lucky to get the DS as a birthday gift o.0;

lol, why are you writing a fanfic on something you don't know anything about? XD;

 

[Zodiac]

ZX Is just that, Z and X. Named after the first two biometals you get in the game.

I was just lucky to get the DS as a birthday gift o.0;

lol, why are you writing a fanfic on something you don't know anything about? XD;

So I was mistaken!

I know the general story of Ryuusei from the anime. (I know, bad place to get it, but I don't have any other sources.) I have a large knowledge base on EXE already, having played all six games to some extent, even though I only cleared one. I'm writing my fanfic based on that knowledge, so I ask anyone who reads it to look for factual inaccuracies so that I can correct them if they don't modify the plot too much. So I'm not writing one on something I know absolutely nothing about.

 

[Tcatomon]

Ah. I my goof then. I thought you were writing a fic on the Classic/X/Zero/ZX/Legends timeline, not the EXE/Ryuusei stuff.

 

[Zodiac]

Ah. I my goof then. I thought you were writing a fic on the Classic/X/Zero/ZX/Legends timeline, not the EXE/Ryuusei stuff.

Well, I specialize in EXE/Ryuusei for fanfics, having not knowing really what happens in the other games.

My goof for posting this in a thread about ZX. I still need the info, though... so frustrating!

 

[Tcatomon]

http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Man_(series)

Best places for reference. :3

 

[Role]

Sorry, after coming here to DATS, I know better than to just trust Wikipedia. After all, Wikipedia says that Lucemon FM's original name was Apollymon...

Anywho, Nice discussion going on. And... isn't Legends... NOT on the same timeline? Isn't it an alternate timeline in and of itself? After all, Rockman, Roll, etc... all died in the cataclysm...

I just realized something.... We need model R! Ran, the communist Robot! XD

Sure, you die if you get hit AT ALL, but that just makes it more challenging! XD

 

[Tcatomon]

Nah, Legends is in the same timeline, just so far in the future it hardly matters. EXE and Ryuusei are the only ones that don't fit in the normal timeline.

Rock, Roll, etc are just common names, not the same bots. Like saying Rockman in EXE and Rockman in classic. Same name, different person (It would hardly be a Rockman game without the hero being named Rockman ;p).

 

[Role]

Tell that to Zero, Vent, Aile, Ashe, and Gray. XD

You know... I think it'd be kinda cool to play as models X and Z separately, instead of together... Perhaps Z would be more of a sword emphasis than ZX, and we all know what X is like already since that model's playable in the first game...

But a purely single-sword type fighter would be interesting, figuring out various skills and what not.

An extension to L would be nice, making it a bit more usable...
F and H seem fine, as well as P...

Though... it would be interesting if you could do the level 2 charges differently... as in, doing one thing would make the level 2 charge Grey's version, and another would make it Ashe's version...

That is, other that just being the boy or girl...

 

[Tcatomon]

Yeah, I've always wondered if model Z was any real difference from ZX. I personally like the option to use the saber, since I suck so much with X's form.
I did like how Grey and Ashe had some differences in their weapons though instead of Vent/Aile did where they were just "choose your pokemon trainer...er.. character" ;p

I can't help wonder if they're going to do different characters again for 3 or back to Vent & Aile or Vent/Grey or Aile/Ashe o.o or something of a mishmash of all four? Gawd forbid they pull off a Pokemon and do two different versions with two characters a peice X_x

I wish Giro had at least lasted a little longer in the first game. Sucks to be human 6.6 ..or at least have the Zero legacy follow after you.

 

[Role]

XD

Well, at least he didn't wake up to find himself in a different body, only to have to face his original body in combat! XD

 

[Zodiac]

EXE and Ryuusei are the only ones that don't fit in the normal timeline.

And they don't fit because they actually are a separate timeline. It's basically a timeline in a different area of the fifth dimension.

I don't think EXE and Ryuusei even fit together, but they are 200 years apart, so you never know...

 

[Role]

There's enough evidence to say that RnR and EXE ARE the same timeline, but 200 years apart.

I often refer to this, but I'll say it again since people don't like to listen to me.

Rockman --> X --> Zero --> ZX is the ROBOTICS TIMELINE

Rockman.EXE --> Ryuusei no Rockman is the NETWORK TIMELINE.

It's the result of a what if. What if... instead of robotics developing, it was the network?

Remember how Wily was a Robotics scientist? And how his funding was cut? We could assume that in the original, it was the network's funding that was cut.

This is why I say that RnR is the Network Timeline's version Rockman X -- it's the first progression in the series. We're on ZX in Robotics -- the Third Progression.

Of course, there's not gonna be a Zero for RnR, since he got awakened and twarted by Rockman.EXE. Common speculation is that Zero caused the Cataclysm, after all, in the Robotics Timeline. Of course, without it being officially said what the timeline was, it remains speculation. But it could be said that in the Robotics timeline, when Zero woke up, he defeated Rockman and caused the cataclysm, whereas in the network timeline, he was defeated.

Thus, RnR, just like X, has a different Rockman (X is actually an abbreviation for Rockman X), which is the WarRock/Subaru combo, as well as its own supporting cast. Heck, one could actually go so far as to say that HarpNote is RnR's answer to Zero! Who knows, maybe the next progression in the series will have you playing as a future HarpNote (with a different human, since Misora would be dead of old age). Of course, when we get to the third progression, things might get complicated... HarpRock? XD

 

[Zodiac]

There's enough evidence to say that RnR and EXE ARE the same timeline, but 200 years apart.

I often refer to this, but I'll say it again since people don't like to listen to me.

Rockman --> X --> Zero --> ZX is the ROBOTICS TIMELINE

Rockman.EXE --> Ryuusei no Rockman is the NETWORK TIMELINE.

It's the result of a what if. What if... instead of robotics developing, it was the network?

Remember how Wily was a Robotics scientist? And how his funding was cut? We could assume that in the original, it was the network's funding that was cut.

This is why I say that RnR is the Network Timeline's version Rockman X -- it's the first progression in the series. We're on ZX in Robotics -- the Third Progression.

Of course, there's not gonna be a Zero for RnR, since he got awakened and twarted by Rockman.EXE. Common speculation is that Zero caused the Cataclysm, after all, in the Robotics Timeline. Of course, without it being officially said what the timeline was, it remains speculation. But it could be said that in the Robotics timeline, when Zero woke up, he defeated Rockman and caused the cataclysm, whereas in the network timeline, he was defeated.

Thus, RnR, just like X, has a different Rockman (X is actually an abbreviation for Rockman X), which is the WarRock/Subaru combo, as well as its own supporting cast. Heck, one could actually go so far as to say that HarpNote is RnR's answer to Zero! Who knows, maybe the next progression in the series will have you playing as a future HarpNote (with a different human, since Misora would be dead of old age). Of course, when we get to the third progression, things might get complicated... HarpRock? XD

Huh, I thought EXE and Ryuusei (I never call it RnR unless I'm referring to the game, and even then, only seldom) were the same timeline, even if they didn't fit together and this post is inconsistent with my last one...

But 400 years into the future is kind of pushing it. I think RnR3 will be focusing on a new threat. When it comes out, there are going to be quite a lot of factual inconsistencies with my fanfic... (There's one already, actually. Subaru has the Star Carrier as of Ryuusei 2, but I say he still has the transer even if it's 4 years after everything happens and it's 221X already.)

I see there's a thread for game-anime inconsistencies in RnR. I'll be looking that up to see what else I've missed.

Anyway, back to ZX. What was the first one like? What threads are there that you could possibly point me to...

 

[Tcatomon]

Huh, I thought EXE and Ryuusei were the same timeline, even if they didn't fit together and this post is inconsistent with my last one...

Rockman.EXE --> Ryuusei no Rockman is the NETWORK TIMELINE.

Role just said EXE and Ryuusei are the same timeline ;p Also, it's 200 years after EXE, not 400.
EXE: 200X
Ryuusei: 220X
...Gawd, why do I know these things?

Of course, without it being officially said what the timeline was, it remains speculation. But it could be said that in the Robotics timeline, when Zero woke up, he defeated Rockman and caused the cataclysm, whereas in the network timeline, he was defeated.

There's a REALLY good fic I read a while ago that plays out the "what if" scenario for Rockman 9.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/717531/1/Mega_Man_X_Whispers_In_Time
I don't think a fanfic has ever made me cry xD but this one did.

Also.. what was ZX like? Uhm... ever play a Castlevania? Kind of like that.. only with Reploids... and less Belmont family.

 

[Zodiac]

Role just said EXE and Ryuusei are the same timeline ;p Also, it's 200 years after EXE, not 400.
EXE: 200X
Ryuusei: 220X
...Gawd, why do I know these things?

There's a REALLY good fic I read a while ago that plays out the "what if" scenario for Rockman 9.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/717531/1/Mega_Man_X_Whispers_In_Time
I don't think a fanfic has ever made me cry xD but this one did.

Also.. what was ZX like? Uhm... ever play a Castlevania? Kind of like that.. only with Reploids... and less Belmont family.

I've only ever heard of Castlevania about 3 times in the 14.6 short years of my entire life, much less played one. XD

I know Ryuusei is 220X, but I was talking about your "next progression", which would have to be at least 100 years after 220X.

 

[Dengar]

Well, in Ryuusei no Rockman, they seem to have completely departed from the whole 'references to classic series' idea, and came up with ideas of their own. There's nothing in RnR that references the classic series.

 

[Zodiac]

Well, in Ryuusei no Rockman, they seem to have completely departed from the whole 'references to classic series' idea, and came up with ideas of their own. There's nothing in RnR that references the classic series.

And that's why I appreciate it. I think there were too many of the old Robot Masters from the original games in EXE.

Are all of the bosses from Zero original, or do they get their derivation from the original X games as well? (The only name I actually remember anymore is Death-tanz Mantisk.)

 

[Tcatomon]

Nope, all new Animaloid Mavericks in Zero. Aside from the whole tie in to X there's no refs to classic.

Hm.. Unfortunately I can't think of anything else to compare ZX to. It's really like nothing I've played (But then my game library isn't very expansive anyway).

I can understand why they referenced classic all over the place in EXE. Like Role said, it would have been parallel to classic if technology had leaned towards internet instead of robotics. Both start in 200X. Basic alternate reality stuff.

 

[Role]

Well, in Ryuusei no Rockman, they seem to have completely departed from the whole 'references to classic series' idea, and came up with ideas of their own. There's nothing in RnR that references the classic series.

Naming style for bosses comes to mind.

Other than that, though, there's not much to tie into. I mean, we don't have a Sigma, a living Zero, an Axl, nothing. Soo... yeah. It's the spiritual Rockman X to EXE, in that it's the second in the Network Timeline.

Tcato: You dare compare the pwnage power of a Rockman to a lowly undead killfest? You fail. EPICALLY.

Well, it's hard to compare it to anything other than a Rockman game, since, well... you know... Castlevania incorporates a lot of different elements, and now is mostly 3D for non-handheld varieties. They're still fun, though. Ish. Thanks, though, for supporting me against yet another idiot whom refuses to listen to what I have to say.

 

[Tcatomon]

hey! XD I like Castlevania *and* Rockman. I just couldn't find anything ELSE that remotely came close for comparison! lol.

I meant it more of the free-range "explore until you have item 3 and go through this door, fight that boss, move onto the next level" XP

 

[Role]

Hey, I said I like them both, too!

...You know, we need a Rockman Model M. Who's model M after?

Miku! Rockman Model Miku! She travels the Rockman verse and sings her lovely songs for all to hear! Be nice, or face her deadly leek attacks! XD

Anywho, joking around aside (though we SHOULD have Model M...), what does Model a look like? I tried looking it up, but all I got was Model A...

Clarifying again...

I don't wanna know what Model Albert is like
I wanna know what Model ancient looks like...

Has anyone seen a pic?

 

[Tcatomon]

Can't find any pics right off the bat. Still looking...

Ok, interesting. I just found out the same guys who dubbed X7 did ZX:A. The VA for X did Grey. No wonder I hated the dub. X & Grey were the only ones I found completely tolerable.

EDIT: WOW I'm retarded, I missed the most likely suspect. http://sprites-inc.co.uk/files/ZX/ZxA/MiscAlpha/mmzxa_alphaashe.gif

 

[Role]

No, that's from the stupid minigame. It's 8bit A. I'm asking about the one you unlock by beating normal mode or better with both Ashe and Gray. It's the ZXA version of always usable model X... So basically standard-bit graphics for DS, for sprites, and an actual pic for the pic, if it exists at all... Which I'd find it odd if there's not even fan-art of it...

Agreed. Ashe and A made me cringe.

Interesting note... Colonel and Iris were from Rockman X 4, and appeared in EXE, still as brother/sister. So... yeah. Don't expect anything other than the order in the series when comparing RnR to RX...

Also... any good pics of Biometal O? Not model O... already got a good pic...

I'm getting a compilation of Rockman Models and their LiveMetal/Biometals done... This is why I'm asking... Of course, Model a is done via A-Trans, not RockOn, so it'll be without Livemetal equivalent...


Edit: That minigame disappointed me... I was hoping for more than one boss! T-T Just the boring UberAlbert boss... booo!

Edit2: Does anyone know of a site similar to RnR3's capcom site? The one with the wallpapers and nothing else? Well, is there one of those for ZX3? I can't navigate their site at all, being illiterate in japanese...

 

[Tcatomon]

Oooh, my bad. O-o I thought they were one in the same.
I don't *think* there's one of the actual biometal since it's considered an optional thing and not really canon.

 

[Role]

Well, I mean, I have my theories... Like, final boss, minus the pseudo-pwnage (ten seconds flat with the ZX saber! BOO YA!).

...Man, ZX is the new HX... abusable as hell... which is sad, since ZX was the main model in the first game... seriously, beating bosses in an instant? And WITHOUT an element to give some bosses immunity!

I guess a better way of saying it... My guess is that Model a is more like Model AW/AV... Since albert's the original A, and he fused with W/V...

 

[Tcatomon]

ZX = luff X3 So long as it's got a saber I don't suck with it.

Seriously? Original X games and his missions in 4 - 8? XD I blow chunks. With Zero I can beat X4 in 30 minutes flat. X6 I can barely take down two Mavericks before I unlock Zero and beat the snot out of the rest of the game with him o@; X5 always frustrates me when Zero goes Maverick at the end and I'm like "blarg X, you twit! *explode*"

 

[Role]

Meh. I wanna know what model WX is... Think future sequel, Vent/Aile taken over by W, you have to free them as Grey/Ashe... Heh heh...

 

[Tcatomon]

WX...? oo;

That'd be interesting to see more of the four interacting. The Vent/Ashe, Aile/Grey meet was pretty awesome.

 

[Role]

I know, right? It's almost like... You've got the multi-main characters for a reason like this!


AX would be interesting, too... Hee hee... And of course, since A is different for boy and girl, those differences would be reflected!

Of course, that would also mean that either Grey and Ashe die, or give up their biometal/livemetal for a while...

Or they could do some lame timeskip thing and make a Z/A fusion, effectively giving you Zero/ZX combat, with A's dna copy powers... >_>

I swear, if Capcom gives us something lame like ZA just to make a shortcut, I swear to god I will do my best to convince the guy in charge of the faggotry to commit seppeku... No half assing it, guys! Make it good! Lost of us think RnR sucks, and TV ratings agree!

Granted, I'm not one of them... to me, RnR's average, at best.

 

[Tcatomon]

I gave up on the EXE stuff around the time Axess started. I didn't give Ryuusei much of a try aside from looking at screens here and there and keeping up with the gaming news. Seems kind of 'meh' to me. I really don't understand the attraction, personally. Forte.exe was probably the best thing I enjoyed out of it XD

I honestly wonder when/how they'll end ZX. Four games like Zero? Three wouldn't be too bad. Gives time to tie up lose ends with Weil's minions and maybe finally kick Wiel in the head.. "bad evil mad scientist! *whack!*"

 

[Zodiac]

For some reason, I like the Network timeline much more than I like the Robotic timeline.(Yes, kill me all you want. It's true. o_o) For some reason, the games the Robotic timeline have just aren't my type. (I guess it's because the Network timeline is an RPG-oriented timeline while the "Original" Robotics timeline is more of a melee-style game. I just plain don't like melee-style games for some reason...)

 

[PrimoPiccolo]

I gave up on the EXE stuff around the time Axess started. I didn't give Ryuusei much of a try aside from looking at screens here and there and keeping up with the gaming news. Seems kind of 'meh' to me. I really don't understand the attraction, personally.

Man, I was ADDICTED to EXE. I loved the original Rockman games, especially Rockman 3, but X2 (that's as far as they'd come at the time) didn't really float my boat. Flame Stag was cool, though.

Years later, my buddy shows me EXE 1, and I'm like "A Rockman RPG? WTF?" So out of respect to him, I try it out, next thing I know I'm staying up until 4AM playing. I'd never seen a battle system that lets you move in real time, which still sets it apart from the cavalcade of portable RPGs out there.


But Ryuusei's just sort of there. Clunky battle system, annoying to get places in Denpa-Henkan, and a much weaker story than anything before it, almost makes the anime more enjoyable.


Rockman > X > Zero > EXE > ZX >>>>> Ryuusei

 

[Zodiac]

Man, I was ADDICTED to EXE. I loved the original Rockman games, especially Rockman 3, but X2 (that's as far as they'd come at the time) didn't really float my boat. Flame Stag was cool, though.

Years later, my buddy shows me EXE 1, and I'm like "A Rockman RPG? WTF?" So out of respect to him, I try it out, next thing I know I'm staying up until 4AM playing. I'd never seen a battle system that lets you move in real time, which still sets it apart from the cavalcade of portable RPGs out there.


But Ryuusei's just sort of there. Clunky battle system, annoying to get places in Denpa-Henkan, and a much weaker story than anything before it, almost makes the anime more enjoyable.


Rockman > X > Zero > EXE > ZX >>>>> Ryuusei

I've only ever played EXE and Zero, and I have to say, EXE pwns Zero in my opinion, even if it's only in my opinion. I guess it's because I'm only 14 and you people are 19...

Anyway, the only reason I really like Ryuusei is because its weak storyline leaves a lot of room to write my fanfic with.

So, basically my preference cycle is like this:

EXE > Zero > Ryuusei > EXE.

EXE is to Ice (Rock; I know, it's unfair), as
Zero is to Lightning (Scissors), as
Ryuusei is to Fire (Paper). [Reference to Zero right there, the 3-element cycle.]

My analogies make no sense whatsoever...

I think the main reason the battle system is clunky is because it's the frist time they've tried to use a 3-D first-person prespective for battles. Up until now, it's always been 2-D and third-person, and in EXE, it doesn't even follow the player around. (The camera is fixed at 3,0,2, looking down at 0,0,0.)

 

[Tcatomon]

19? lol. Add about 7 years to that for some of us xD

If you're interested in playing some of the classics the X and classic collection are out for PS2 and Game Cube. Definitely worth a pick up if you've got a few bucks to spare. I'm not much for classic, but the X collection is totally worth it... even if there are no voices in X6 now :< (I kept my Ps1 copy)

 

[Zodiac]

19? lol. Add about 7 years to that for some of us xD

If you're interested in playing some of the classics the X and classic collection are out for PS2 and Game Cube. Definitely worth a pick up if you've got a few bucks to spare. I'm not much for classic, but the X collection is totally worth it... even if there are no voices in X6 now :< (I kept my Ps1 copy)

(There are 26-year-old people who are still fans of Rockman?)

I don't have a PS2... all I have is a poor Gamecube that I never play with anymore. I don't really like playing video games anymore. In fact, I'm not really a "fan" of anything. Or if I am, I backslide and forward-slide like crazy.

The only reason I know what the Megaman games were like is because I have a GBA emulator that I knew how to operate when I was 8. I didn't even know ROMs were "illegal" until about a year ago. The only classic game that was released for GBA was probably "Megaman and Bass" and I can't beat any of the first 3 stages. (Much less get rank A on Zero... The only level I've ever actually gotten A on is the first stage, with 97/100 points.)

 

[Tcatomon]

Rockman games are a niche you get used to over time. I played X4 a friends house in 99 and absolutely hated it. xD It wasn't until 2002 when Zero 1 came out that I really became a fan. Never looked back since. I still love the Zero series the most.

And yes, you'd be surprised who's a fan of video games. My dad's the one who got me into games with the NES (since it was his ;p)

 

[Zodiac]

Rockman games are a niche you get used to over time. I played X4 a friends house in 99 and absolutely hated it. xD It wasn't until 2002 when Zero 1 came out that I really became a fan. Never looked back since. I still love the Zero series the most.

And yes, you'd be surprised who's a fan of video games. My dad's the one who got me into games with the NES (since it was his ;p)

Well, he had it when he was a kid. (Younger than 21, anyway...)

I absolutely don't get the points system in Zero. Why have it in the first place? (Except for the fact that you need at least 85 points to get the boss's EX skill...) I mean, every Fusion cyber-elf you use takes off 5 points in the score! Well, then again, I never used any; only the Satellite Fusion ones, and even those ones took off 1 or 2 points, depending on what level they were. (And yes, they went to the negative. I remember getting -1 points for Elf once in one Zero 3 mission. I haven't played Zero 2 yet, and the first 2 missions I've tried in Zero 4 are so hard! I don't like using the weather machine, and for good reason too; I think it takes off 20 points from your score...) I remember in the original game, they took off 5 or 10 points depending on the level; Totten took off 30 points, and there was no way to get those 30 points back. That was annoying, because for every mission my "Elf" score would be -70.

 

[Tcatomon]

lol. He was in early 30's I think when he got it. I think about a year after the system came out. Don't assume just because we're "old" we aren't gamers ;p

Point system only does something if you're concerned about it. I go through them with a solid B all the way through. It's just the same of the scoring system in games like Devil May Cry. In Zero 3 it matters so you can pick up the EX moves of the Mavericks. I honestly never used a cyber elf until you could go into that cyber world thing in 3, then I actually figured out what they were used for XD;

 

[Role]

Meh. You're never too old to love video games. If you believe there is such a thing as to old for video games, get the hell off my interwebs and get back to work. I expect you to make my life easier by running my utilities so that they work. >_>

Anywho, this isn't a RnR vs ZX thread, nor is it a thread about arguing ages of people who should or should not like gaming, regardless of the name of said games they enjoy. Let's try to stay on topic, which is robotics timeline updates and discussion. Thankyou! ^-^

The point system determines difficulty to a degree. Bosses and enemies get more difficult at higher difficulties, and will use more attacks and switch up their patterns. Also, unless you get enough points to maintain an A rank or higher, you won't be able to get the EX Skills in Zero 3. Dunno about 2, and 4's works differently. Also, in general higher ranked game completion will get you better unlocked things.

 

[Tcatomon]

lol, yeah I love how you can go "I got an A on the first level :'D this game will be *awesome*" then it promptly smacks you back into reality when you go into a boss fight on A rank and it drops you back down to C. xD

Robotics timeline.. *cough* right... hm... speculation on plot elements of ZX: 3?

 

[Role]

I still think there's multiple main characters for a reason. WX, anyone? XD

Of course, even if Albert helped make Model W/V, it's still Wiel/Vile pulling the strings! Not until ALL of W is gone, will that problem be solved. However, I do believe we'll get a new villain!

After all, once Copy X and the Guardians got KOed after Zero 2, it Wiel became the big enemy.

 

[Zodiac]

Anywho, this isn't a RnR vs ZX thread

Nor did I say it was. Maybe we should make a thread where we talk about these things?

lol. He was in early 30's I think when he got it. I think about a year after the system came out. Don't assume just because we're "old" we aren't gamers ;p

Right... well, all people love some sort of game. I didn't say it was creepy or anything...

 

[Role]

Nor did I accuse you of turning it into one. It was just a comment about how a lot of people keep switching the topic into that...

So, what do you expect for the next ZX game?

 

[Tcatomon]

I expect eight "Mavericks" and a hero that can use model ZX :'D *HIT* lol.

 

[Role]

Ah! The return of old school megaman! That would be awesome! XD

Or did you confuse Pseudoroids with Mavericks? In which case, here, let me hit you again...

 

[Tcatomon]

Robot Master, Maverick, Neo-Arcadians, Pseudoroids... meh, they're all about the same to me anymore. I just keep callin' em Mavericks.

 

[Zodiac]

Nor did I accuse you of turning it into one. It was just a comment about how a lot of people keep switching the topic into that...

Ah... my bad.

Let's see... Robot Masters, Mavericks... Neo-Arcadians I've actually faced... but what are Pseudoroids?

Let me guess... I should use Google? (but it might turn up results irrelevant to ZX or Megaman... that's just my weird spot. I'll use Wikipedia to find out what ZX actually is, but I have no idea what game pseudoroids are from, so I wouldn't know where to search.)

As well, is it just a recurring theme that there are eight bosses in every Megaman game? (Rockman... whatever... I switch between the two ad libitum.) Let's see, the original eight robot masters created by Wily... I think there were eight FM guys you had to beat (nine if you count Cygnus.) in Ryuusei, umm... in EXE, there was (Fireman, Colouredman, Elecman, Magicman, Numberman, possibly Stoneman and Bomberman ...who else was an enemy, not counting the Life Virus? I seem to remember Freezeman in there somewhere.)

 

[Dengar]

Classic Mega Man plays too clunky to me.

And I don't care what people say, I like the tactical aspect of EXE and Ryuusei. But I'm an RPG buff.

Robot Master, Maverick, Neo-Arcadians, Pseudoroids... meh, they're all about the same to me anymore. I just keep callin' em Mavericks.

I usually just call them 'bosses'. I especially find 'Maverick' to be a poor choice of words. In Command Mission, the enemies weren't even Mavericks, and in the Zero series, Zero and the Guardians were the Mavericks.


Pseudoroids are the bosses from ZX. They are artificial Mega Men created from the Biometal.

 

[Zodiac]

I usually just call them 'bosses'. I especially find 'Maverick' to be a poor choice of words. In Command Mission, the enemies weren't even Mavericks, and in the Zero series, Zero and the Guardians were the Mavericks.

Pseudoroids are the bosses from ZX. They are artificial Mega Men created from the Biometal.

Do Pseudoroids have anything to do with Falseroids? (Or are they the same thing? I'll find out for myself what Biometal is.)

Wait, I remember in Zero 1, Zero fought the four Guardians, even if they were all Mavericks. Did they work together after that? (In Zero 3, they sure did, at the end at least. Zero and the four guardians tried to bring down Weil, and, well, the final boss was kinda hard...)

In Zero 3, the final boss had nine health bars! (Well, it was actually three bosses with three bars each... that's a total of 294 health points, while poor Zero has to fight the guy with only 16 health points if he wants to get 85 points or more on the final level. First it was Omega, then it was Omega Ultimate-style, and then it was Omega in Zero-s body.)

Does the final boss in ZX3 also have nine health bars? (As well, ZX3 is the name of a DDR song that I have on my computer. XD)

 

[FlameStream]

Buh? I think someone's wayyy confused here... XP
Pseudoroid == Falseroid. It's just named differently in the localized version.

There is no such game as ZX3, but If you're talking about ZXA...

Spoiler

It has two forms, with two phases each, with unknown number of health bars. Hit until it's down~

 

[Dengar]

Wait, I remember in Zero 1, Zero fought the four Guardians, even if they were all Mavericks. Did they work together after that? (In Zero 3, they sure did, at the end at least. Zero and the four guardians tried to bring down Weil, and, well, the final boss was kinda hard...)

Sorry, I used the wrong word, I meant Zero and those rebel guys, I forget what they were called. They were officially Mavericks according to Neo Arcadia.

 

[Zodiac]

Buh? I think someone's wayyy confused here... XP
Pseudoroid == Falseroid. It's just named differently in the localized version.

There is no such game as ZX3, but If you're talking about ZXA...

Spoiler

It has two forms, with two phases each, with unknown number of health bars. Hit until it's down~

Ah, it's ZX:Advent. I meant if ZX3 were ever to be created.

The "rebel" guys? You mean the Resistance? Yeah, they are Mavericks; so what...

 

[Dengar]

Well, if you assume that Zero and the rebel guys are Mavericks, that throws the whole Boss = Maverick thing out the window.

 

[Tcatomon]

Zero and the Resistance weren't Mavericks. I honestly don't know where you people get information from. x_x Copy X just labeled them Mavericks because they were going against X's vision of a perfect utopia. Copy X was screwed up in the head to begin with and his generals and their lackys took his word as law without question.... until Harpuia went all "....wut?" in later games when Wiel showed up.

 

[Role]

The resistance weren't mavericks. If you recall correctly, Mavericks actually disappeared thanks to Cyber Elfs, and afterwards the Elf Wars began, thanks to Vile/Wiel. They're called mavericks, but they lack the Sigma Virus that created mavericks. The term Maverick (or Irregular, for the Jap Version), is now used to refer to a Reploid whom opposes authority or threatens humans. Zero's story started because of an energy shortage. X had sealed away the Dark Elf with his body, so in his absence, Ciel created Copy X in his place. However, because of the energy shortage, Copy X, in order to protect humanity, declared many reploids mavericks, even though they weren't, so that the humans could have enough energy. Zero's story is about the Reploids fighting for their rights to exist. They're not really mavericks per se, they're just trying to stay alive. In other words, they don't oppose humanity or the government by choice, they're forced to, or else face destruction. There are a few reploids left in Neo Arcadia, and they serve as upholders of the law and the military, along side Mechanoloids.

ZX happens after they gain their rights. Pseudoroids/Falseroids are created in similar fashion of reploids... in other words, Reploids were created to replicate X and Zero. Pseudoroids were created to replicate the Biometals/Live Metals. Mechanoloids... still exist. They've gotten upgraded, more or less, but they're cannon fodder, just like before. The main villain is actually Model W/V, whom was Wiel/Vile fused into the fallen Ragnarok. It can be assumed that Albert actually had a hand in helping Vile (and gets his name as a montage to a Dr. Albert Wily. Go figure), since Legion has existed for centuries, according to ZX, meaning they were probably around during Zero, and maybe even X, since Zero happens 100 years after X, and ZX 100 years after Zero.

 

[Zodiac]

Zero and the Resistance weren't Mavericks. I honestly don't know where you people get information from. x_x Copy X just labeled them Mavericks because they were going against X's vision of a perfect utopia. Copy X was screwed up in the head to begin with and his generals and their lackys took his word as law without question.... until Harpuia went all "....wut?" in later games when Weil showed up.

My mind must be muddled. I'm following Copy X's description...

 

[Role]

Meh. Copy X didn't realize that the REAL X would have started putting funding into the development of new energy systems (such as the CIEL SYSTEM!) rather into milliary might against reploids... I mean, Mechanoloids may be cannon fodder, but even cannon fodder starts to cost a lot after a while...

 

[Zodiac]

Meh. Copy X didn't realize that the REAL X would have started putting funding into the development of new energy systems (such as the CIEL SYSTEM!) rather into milliary might against reploids... I mean, Mechanoloids may be cannon fodder, but even cannon fodder starts to cost a lot after a while...

Hey, I didn't play any of the X games! So don't ask me... I have no knowledge. I only know that the Mavericks were some sort of maverick team... (Zero included? He was part of the resistance, but I remember that my friend had a rip of a PS2 version of X8 [or was it just MM8?] where Zero was called a Maverick.)

 

[Role]

...Why are you all getting defensive at me calling Copy X incompetent? Could you be... GASP! YOU'RE COPY X?! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

 

[Zodiac]

...Why are you all getting defensive at me calling Copy X incompetent? Could you be... GASP! YOU'RE COPY X?! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

Why would I be Copy X? But he's not incompetent (maybe compared to the real X, he is very much so, but I mean, compared to my skill level), at least to my knowledge. I couldn't defeat his final version in Z1 without retrying like 4 times... LOL

(I realize that's a joke, but I'm trying to play it back on you.)

 

[Tcatomon]

Actually I wouldn't consider Copy X to be incompetent either. He did alot of good for Neo-Arcadia and created the utopia the real X wanted... he just went one step ahead to 'bubble wrap' the city.
Remember the Terminator movies.. and basically all the AI-gone-psycho movies out there? In all cases man creates machines to protect man.. machine realizes man is his own worst enemy and takes control to "protect" man, ultimately creating rules and taking over; all while these creatures are thinking it's in the best interests of man to protect them against themselves.
It's no different here with Copy X; deeming anyone who didn't want "protection" obviously bonkers in the brain (ie: Neige [Zero 3] and Co.). Ciel created him to be a carbon copy of X.. but in the end - while he still must have been highly intelligent and well competent to lead a nation (I mean, c'mon, CIEL created him) - he lacked X's level of emotions and empathy. It all boils down to Copy X being an unexperienced, unfeeling machine. Once Weil got his claws into Copy X and rebuilt and (probably) reprogrammed him Harpuia and the others realized what was really going on.

And, yes, I realize you two are jesting.. just throwing in two cents d;

 

[Zodiac]

Wasn't Neige part of Zero 4? Or is my mind still muddled...

BTW, who was the fourth Guardian? I have Harpuia, Fefnir, and Leviathan... I just can't remember the fourth one!

EDIT: Ah, my mistake. It's "Phantom". I seem to have absurd luck with my visual descriptions, because in chapter 5, I noted that he looked like Bass, except that he had spikes and was white. XD

EDIT2: Okay, now that you think about it, I'm not so lucky. He doesn't look like Bass at all. I'm going to have to edit that part.

EDIT3: You know what, screw that. I don't think the person who went inside of Saito in my fanfic was Phantom anyway.

 

[Tcatomon]

Plerg, yeah, you're right Zero 4 (the one with Craft ON the cover XD). Dunno where the 3 suggestion came from. lol.

 

[Role]

No, Real X would have never accepted what Copy X did. As a replacement for X, Copy X was incompetent. X would have invested all that money into research to develop alternative sources of energy. Copy X put it into the military instead for the purpose of driving away Reploids. Hey, all those mechaniloids created to oppose Zero and the gang had cost a ton!

 

[Zodiac]

No, Real X would have never accepted what Copy X did. As a replacement for X, Copy X was incompetent. X would have invested all that money into research to develop alternative sources of energy. Copy X put it into the military instead for the purpose of driving away Reploids. Hey, all those mechaniloids created to oppose Zero and the gang had cost a ton!

So the forum's not dead...

Well, you are kinda right... but one thing's for sure, Copy X could never have replaced the real X.

 

[Tcatomon]

Well, history proved NO ONE could have copied or replaced X. All the Reploids after him were seceptable to the Maverick Virus. Zero's a prime example of that, who Wily tried to replicate X. We all know how well that went, even with Zero's programming that turned into the Maverick virus aside.

And yup. I lurk here daily/hourly/etc. >.> There's just never any topics I feel like I can contribute to since I don't watch anime anymore. I'm just here for the Digimon.

 

[Zodiac]

Well, history proved NO ONE could have copied or replaced X. All the Reploids after him were seceptable to the Maverick Virus. Zero's a prime example of that, who Wily tried to replicate X. We all know how well that went, even with Zero's programming that turned into the Maverick virus aside.

And yup. I lurk here daily/hourly/etc. >.> There's just never any topics I feel like I can contribute to since I don't watch anime anymore. I'm just here for the Digimon.

X rocked. (No pun intended.)

Now, here's a quote from my fanfic, also based on the pun:

“He sleeps like a rock,” sighed Subaru.
“Hey, this has nothing to do with me!” yelled both Megaman and War-Rock at the same time.
“Huh... Megaman? Why did you say that? Of course it has nothing to do with—oh, wait, your name is Rockman, right? Ah, I see... It's the 'Rock' that troubles...you... [zzz...]”
“Ahh, not you too!” yelled both War-Rock and Megaman, again synchronized. The two glared (glanced?) at each other while the two boys slept 'like rocks'.

Notice that I use both English and Japanese names interchangeably. It's a bad habit I have...

 

[Role]

Well, history proved NO ONE could have copied or replaced X. All the Reploids after him were seceptable to the Maverick Virus. Zero's a prime example of that, who Wily tried to replicate X. We all know how well that went, even with Zero's programming that turned into the Maverick virus aside.

And yup. I lurk here daily/hourly/etc. >.> There's just never any topics I feel like I can contribute to since I don't watch anime anymore. I'm just here for the Digimon.

But Zero wasn't a copy of X. He was Wily's ANSWER to X. Wily didn't want to copy X, after all. He wanted to kill him. That was the purpose behind Zero. Unfortunately for Wily, the best Zero got to slaying X was Copy X. But Wily'll have to settle for that, since his 'evil creation' turned out good in the end...

 

[Zodiac]

But Zero wasn't a copy of X. He was Wily's ANSWER to X. Wily didn't want to copy X, after all. He wanted to kill him. That was the purpose behind Zero. Unfortunately for Wily, the best Zero got to slaying X was Copy X. But Wily'll have to settle for that, since his 'evil creation' turned out good in the end...

I think she (he? I'm confused about everyone's gender here) means Copy X, not Zero.

 

[Role]

Zero's a prime example of that, who Wily tried to replicate X

No, pretty sure they were talking about Zero.

 

[Zodiac]

No, pretty sure they were talking about Zero.

Oh.

Anyway, maybe she was confused? Maybe (s)he meant to say "Copy X", but blurted out "Zero" instead... just a thought...

Anyway, Zero wasn't a copy of X like Copy X was, and as we find out in Zero 3, his body was actually a copy of another Zero as well. (Final boss, 3rd stage, Zero fights Omega-Zero)

 

[Tcatomon]

Yeah, was talking about Zero.
Zero is and isn't a copy. You have to remember Forte *stole* Light's plans for X.. and Wily made Zero out of it (obviously changing his look and bits of his programming). In that sense he's a copy.. or I guess brother.. or twin.... or.. something. The only thing Zero lacked was X's HEART OF THE CARDS... er.. morality and whatnot.

Also, I'm a she. lol.

And Zero's RMZ body was a copy of his original form/body, not "another Zero" d; Zero's consciousness was in the copy.. Omega was in his original body. .. Just making sure we're on the right page

 

[Zodiac]

Yeah, was talking about Zero.
Zero is and isn't a copy. Forte *stole* Light's plans for X.. and Wily made Zero out of it (obviously changing his look and bits of his programming). In that sense he's a copy.. or brother.. or.. something. The only thing Zero lacked was X's HEART OF THE CARDS... er.. morality and whatnot.

Also, I'm a she. lol.

And Zero's RMZ body was a copy of his original form/body, not "another Zero" d; Zero's consciousness was in the copy.. Omega was in his original body. .. Just making sure we're on the right page

...I knew that... Zero's consciousness was in the copy. That's why after the first level, he says, "In that body...?", because he doesn't know that his body is a copy yet.

Wait, Forte stole them? What does Bass have anything to do with the Zero series? Or am I missing something here... I've never played the X games.

 

[Role]

No, I think Wily used those plans to make 'Anti-Plans'. Basically, he used them to create his own plans in opposition to what Light created. Though yes, he used the as a basis, unlike the Reploids, which were meant to more or less replicate X, Zero's design was from the basis of how to rid the world of X.

Though, something I'm interested in... How did the whole form change thing happen? MMZ Zero looks a lot different than MMX Zero... And Omega looks nothing like MMX Zero... so what's with the form changes?

 

[Tcatomon]

The form changes ...I'm guessing you're meaning the change in style between the X/Zero games? Creative license in design and nothing more. As far as continuity is concerned Zero is still Zero.

Wait, Forte stole them? What does Bass have anything to do with the Zero series? Or am I missing something here... I've never played the X games.

It has nothing to do with the X games. Play Rockman & Forte and Rockman Power Fighters sometime.
In R&F Forte's game ends with Wily mad at Forte and says basically to get lost he's working on "other" things that will be more powerful than Rock.
At the end of Forte's game in Power Fighters...Wily is revealed to already be working on Zero. I haven't played it in a while, but the dialogue basically has Wily mad at Forte for disobeying him (again, no surprise there) and going after Megaman. Zero's silhouette (below) is seen while Wily says he has no more need of Forte and that he has bigger and better plans in store. Forte laughs and says that all of Wily's creations are failures and the new pretty boy will be no different.

aww.. we hit 100 replies to this post. This are popular thread.

 

[Role]

Well, technically Forte was right. Zero was a failure. Built to slay Rockman, but wound up being the savior of countless lives instead! XD

So, he's a failure as to why he was created, but then again, that failure is what makes him a hero!

 

[Tcatomon]

He did (more than likely) take out most of the classic cast though. He probably would have gotten to X if Sigma hadn't of beaten sense into Zero's head. Zero's outright said X is more powerful than he is, sooo....

 

[Zodiac]

The form changes ...I'm guessing you're meaning the change in style between the X/Zero games? Creative license in design and nothing more. As far as continuity is concerned Zero is still Zero.



It has nothing to do with the X games. Play Rockman & Forte and Rockman Power Fighters sometime.
In R&F Forte's game ends with Wily mad at Forte and says basically to get lost he's working on "other" things that will be more powerful than Rock.
At the end of Forte's game in Power Fighters...Wily is revealed to already be working on Zero. I haven't played it in a while, but the dialogue basically has Wily mad at Forte for disobeying him (again, no surprise there) and going after Megaman. Zero's silhouette (below) is seen while Wily says he has no more need of Forte and that he has bigger and better plans in store. Forte laughs and says that all of Wily's creations are failures and the new pretty boy will be no different.

aww.. we hit 100 replies to this post. This are popular thread.

I never got past any of the first 3 levels on Rockman and Forte, so I wouldn't know any of the storyline... lol

 

[Role]

He did (more than likely) take out most of the classic cast though. He probably would have gotten to X if Sigma hadn't of beaten sense into Zero's head. Zero's outright said X is more powerful than he is, sooo....

True... He did probably cause the Cataclysm... C>

 

[Dengar]

X is more powerful than Zero because Dr. Light foresaw what happened and hid X's upgrades all over the place.


^ Pure speculation but quite likely I think.



Anyway, to reply what I said earlier.


The fact that Zero and the resistance were fighting to survive does not change the fact that they oppose authority and thus are Mavericks. It does not make them evil and dangerous, but according to the rule, they are Mavericks.

 

[david0925]

There are a lot of explanations needed on ZX advent's storyline as well as connection to the pervious series. The Sage Trinity explained that they have been around for several centuries (which means, at least 2). This will put them to actually in the X storyline (ZX happened about 200 years after X).

About X and Zero's strength: you can't really compare them. They are both robots with unlimited potential, and you can't really compare undefined things.

When I have the time and feel like it I'll write a bit of hypothesis on Advent's connection (or why it doesn't make sense to an extent, without capcom making some sort of retcon)

 

[Tcatomon]

The fact that Zero and the resistance were fighting to survive does not change the fact that they oppose authority and thus are Mavericks. It does not make them evil and dangerous, but according to the rule, they are Mavericks.

Yes, but you have to take into consideration WHAT authority they're apposing. In this case it was a corrupt government lead by Copy X. It'd be like apposing Nazi Germany (extreme case, but a case none the less), you may be seen as 'bad' by the leaders, but where in reality you're the good guy. No side in a war ever thinks of themselves as evil. It's always for a reason towards the greater good... even if their means are viewed as wrong by the masses. Sigma and Hitler never thought themselves as evil either...
Another example I can think of is Command Mission. Epsilon wanted to break away with a peaceful rebellion, and in turn he was labeled a Maverick. X and Zero attacked him and he acted accordingly.. with violence. Trap a wild animal in the corner and it'll do what it can to survive. It wasn't until the end when their remains were studied the Hunters went all "oh, no virus here. Oops, sorry!" and their names were cleared. It was probably the first time in history when someone actually stopped to think maybe Reploids just want the same things Humans do.
So, while Copy X and his followers may think the Resistance as Mavericks, they're not. There's no virus, no faulty programming, no 'opposing authority'.. just Copy X's faulty brain labeling them as such. Honestly I don't even consider Copy X as Maverick... he just wasn't programmed right to begin with.

On a completely random note.. aside from the Maverick virus generally turning Reploids violent I always thought of it as a missing piece to their programming... sort of a "free will" program that lets them *choose* whether to be human helping Reploids like X, or a blood thirsty killer like Sigma. If you think about it the three laws prevent robots/Reploids from thinking outside the box.. like giving a human a lobotomy, it "calms" them and makes them follow orders without question. The so called "Maverick" Reploids have a choice now whether to keep fighting for good, or denounce their Human 'oppressors' and live their own lives the way they want to. Granted in most cases they've gone violent, but like I said with my example of Command Mission anyone backed into a corner will turn violent. Epsilon was a great example of that. He realized Reploids could govern themselves and wanted to create an area where they didn't need Human rule. ... Everyone thought of this as blasphemy and instantly labeled him and his followers as Maverick, despite that he wanted to do it peacefully. The Maverick program/virus/whatever isn't always a bad thing, but I suppose they're bias towards what it did to Sigma and instantly ready to retire those Reploids who are found to have the 'virus'.

 

[Zodiac]

Yes, but you have to take into consideration WHAT authority they're apposing.

Not all Mavericks are "evil". (On another completely unrelated note, was Omega a Maverick?)

 

[Tcatomon]

I think I just said that ;p

I'm not even sure if Omega was a true Reploid. I always thought of him as a program.. or personality that was put inside of his larger form then Zero's body. He sure didn't seem to have the higher Humanoid thinking and only had one speaking line that wasn't a grunt.

 

[Role]

You know, we should have a sticky for both news dealing with the Robotics Timeline and the Network Timeline... That would be cool.

of course, that would mean this would become the discussion thread! ^-^

Omega? He's a reploid in an original's body. At least, that's how I see him. X and Zero are the only Originals, or whatever you want to call them. Reploids 'replicated' X (and later Zero as well, one can assume). However, Zero proved that an original can remain an original, even in a replicated body (after all, MMZ took place with Zero in an alt body than his original, which would turn out to be Omega). Likewise, this means that if you put Reploid data into an originals body, it would be considered and treated like a reploid.

Don't believe me? In MMZ3, the Dark Elf was used to take over all reploids. Zero was unaffected. We could say that the Dark Elf was controlling Omega's actions all along, so even IF just some random reploid was put in there, they'd be under direct control of the Dark Elf.

 

[Tcatomon]

I really wish they had gone into a bit more detail of who/what Omega was. He just kind of showed up, said "I'm the messiah of death. Rar" ... then exploded into tiny bits. I forgot about the mother elf screwing with Reploid minds though, it'd make sense Omega fell to that too... might explain his lack of ..uhm.. personality.

 

[Role]

That lack of personality is exactly why I think that the Dark elf was involved! After all, Wiel/Vile was the one whom stole the Mother Elf and turned it into the Dark elf, and only AFTER that did Omega begin its reign of terror!

 

[Tcatomon]

haha. I need to stay out of these speculations, I'm getting too many RP ideas out of it xD;

Good point though.

EDIT: Also, totally unrelated to ZX, but wondering fans might want to know:
http://www.destructoid.com/rumortoid-mega-man-9-in-the-works-spacecat-tells-all-90027.phtml

Also: lawls, wut?
http://www.megamanfilm.com/home.html

Take it all with a grain of salt mind you. I never buy into rumors until they're not rumors anymore ;P

 

[Role]

Heh, thanks. ^-^

I mean, it only makes since, after all!

What I think would be cool, though? Competitive play. I mean, the Network Timeline has it, why shouldn't we have it here in robotics? I'd love to unleash my ZX moves and get my ass kicked by my opponent! Hey, I never said I was good (easily pwned by Omega in EASY mode, full subtanks, AND an E tank)...

 

[Tcatomon]

I think for ZX and network play you'd have to do either a create your own character or do some kind of leveling system.. or have it play out like a Maverick battle one on one. In that case maybe either a vs game mode where you can choose your own character/form to play as (I'd love to play Aztec Falcon ) or set out the character like Pokemon D/P does where each character looks different to the other person.
If worse comes to worse do a pallet swap in a pinch.

 

[Role]

Well, just make the opponent a darker shade, and it'd play out like a boss battle, only minus the pattern predictability! Kinda like Kingdom Hearts Chain Of Memories did it. In that, you play as Sora against a darker shade of Sora. Basically, give the opponent a darker shade, and then say go. Of course, it's gonna be tricky. Time won't freeze for you when changing your model/form!

 

[Dengar]

Omega was just a shell, he wasn't a proper reploid.

I never claimed that Zero and the others were infected or otherwise insane.


The definition of a Maverick is something that deviates from and opposes the norm. No matter how messed up that 'norm' may be.


In that philosophy, Maverick doesn't even have to equal 'bad'.

 

[Zodiac]

Heh, thanks. ^-^

I mean, it only makes since, after all!

What I think would be cool, though? Competitive play. I mean, the Network Timeline has it, why shouldn't we have it here in robotics? I'd love to unleash my ZX moves and get my ass kicked by my opponent! Hey, I never said I was good (easily pwned by Omega in EASY mode, full subtanks, AND an E tank)...

Full subtanks? How many did you have? (If you used all five health cyber-elfs and all four E-tanks, you should have 192 health points in total, which is equal to six boss-bars.) [How much health does an E-tank hold?]

I used save-state and finished the job in Normal mode and only 2 sub-tanks.

http/www.megamanfilm.com/home.html

Lolwut? Wow, I'd like to see this film after it's created, even if it's bad. (Nice trailer, though.)

I think this movie might actually get made. This guy, Eddie Lebron, has made quite a few movies already, and they're quite good, so far as I can tell. It's not all container data.

A few warnings, though, when it's released, it might not be very true to the original story, so don't harp on that, because a lot of professional movies aren't very loyal either.

 

[Tcatomon]

Who's harping? lol. I'd see it no matter how bad it was. I've sat through 90 minutes of a Transformers rip off just for the lulz. (Transmorphers. Google it!)

ha. I beat you both out. I never had a problem with Omega even on normal. Probably only used half a tank. xD But then again.. I've played through it probably half a dozen times too. His Omega-Zero form is soooo much fun to play against and I love the last boss battles in 3 and 4.

 

[Zodiac]

Who's harping? lol. I'd see it no matter how bad it was. I've sat through 90 minutes of a Transformers rip off just for the lulz. (Transmorphers. Google it!)

ha. I beat you both out. I never had a problem with Omega even on normal. Probably only used half a tank. xD But then again.. I've played through it probably half a dozen times too. His Omega-Zero form is soooo much fun to play against and I love the last boss battles in 3 and 4.

Nice. There hasn't been an official Mega Man movie yet, so I'd like to see it, even if it is a fanmade one. (A professional fanmade one at that...)

Yeah, save-state is cheap. Because of it, it took me about 30 minutes to defeat even one boss. I've only ever played through the entire thing once, but I want to do the original Zero again, even if elves take off way more points... >_<

 

[Role]

Full subtanks? How many did you have? (If you used all five health cyber-elfs and all four E-tanks, you should have 192 health points in total, which is equal to six boss-bars.) [How much health does an E-tank hold?]

I used save-state and finished the job in Normal mode and only 2 sub-tanks.

...Omega's easy in Zero. I spoke of ZX. I had all four subtanks, all life ups, and an E tank, Orange, candy, and all those other tiny heal things, and had a hard time. It's not a matter of simple pattern recognition with him... It's just that he HURTS LIKE HELL!

Don't even get me started with normal mode... Getting Model Ox was a bitch!

 

[Tcatomon]

OX is a pain, yes. If you're used to using Zero I'd suggest using the ZX form and... uhm... try not to get hit *laughs and gets hit by tomatoes*.
I really should play through ZX again sometime and go back to faff about on the extra missions.. and finish ZX:A ;.; I'm so lazy.

 

[Role]

I still have yet to unlock Model a. It evidently looks the same as Model A, but only has the moveset of Megaman from Megaman 3! Single shots and gay ass slides only! (if you get the reference, you get a cookie!)

I finally managed to get Model X unlocked in ZX 1... Now just to beat it in... gulp... hard mode...

I don't wanna... I like my model Hx pwnage power...

Not to be confused with Model H power. Model H is lame compared to its fusion with X.

 

[Zodiac]

...Omega's easy in Zero. I spoke of ZX. I had all four subtanks, all life ups, and an E tank, Orange, candy, and all those other tiny heal things, and had a hard time. It's not a matter of simple pattern recognition with him... It's just that he HURTS LIKE HELL!

Don't even get me started with normal mode... Getting Model Ox was a bitch!

Which means that I suck even more. If Omega's easy in Zero, he took me 60 minutes to beat with save-state, which is equivalent to about 40 tries.

 

[Tcatomon]

http://gonintendo.com/?p=46150

Bit of info from the hopeful. Not ZX, but you can thank me later. "Cross platform" makes me optimistic. 360 plz.
Cheers.

 

[Role]

O.O

Holy crap is right!

So, does the cataclysm happen in this game? You beat the game, only to get your ass beat down by Zero? I mean, unlike in the Network timeline, where Megaman defeated Zero, thus averting the cataclysm, the cataclysm CLEARLY occurred in the robotics timeline, so it's save to say he loses that fight...

Hoping for not Wii! Wii would make a good FPS Megaman game, but so long as we keep to our megaman basics, I'm good!

And PLEASE, let me be able to dash jump... I missed X's mobility when I played MM7 only to kill myself over 20 times from forgetting that I can't dash jump and/or wall climb... And THEN I made it to the first robot master...

 

[Tcatomon]

lol. More than likely judging from "Cross platform" it'll either be Ps3/Wii/360 or DS/Wii or some weird form of all of it.

I'd be happy with the main three consoles. So long as it's on the 360 in some form or another considering I won't touch a Wii with a ten foot pole. I'd think it would have better success with a Legends game with all the wild Wiimote flailing.

 

[Role]

Until developers learn that Wii games DON'T HAVE TO USE MOTION SENSING, to me, main three are DS, 360, and PS3. I mean, yeah, the Wii has so much potential, but some games are better suited to the use of buttons, not motion! Not only that, I'd love to see some games made for Wii using the Game Cube's controller, since, you know, it can be done. Smash bros is proof enough.

Sadly, not many games from what I've seen even bother. Most of the ones that do are first party.


Though, given Capcom's current view... Multi-platform is most likely gonna be DS and PSP. After all... that's what all the recent Megaman games have been for!

 

[Tcatomon]

True, but aside from the previous GBC remakes of MM1 - whatever there hasn't been a Megaman Classic exclusive to any handheld. I wouldn't mind DS at all actually. It could have FMVs and sound clips to boot. ZX's already proven it can be done. ... *flails* Wai! I wanna see Forte in all his bad ass goodness again.

 

[Role]

Well I know of two X series exclusives that I enjoy the hell out of for GBC (the two Xtreme games. Xtreme2 I think is the first game with Model Z action, er, I mean, Z Saber only action with Zero! I did NOT like that stupid three-level charge for sword thing in MMX3...).

There is one thing that disappoints me about the current series, Zx, though. Zx seems to be a clone of Zero... I mean, X had new mobility that hard to come back from... But as far as gameplay wise, H usually prefer models other than Zx because I had my fill with Zero. They play the same... I spend a lot of time with Hx and Lx, and Px in ZxA... I love Gray's Px charge attack!

Though, I guess there are similarities.

X is very similar gameplay wise to Megaman, even though there's a ton of new mobility options.

Zx is similar to Zero, even though there's multiple modles to choose from.

However, given the current trend, the next series will have a new gameplay type. Maybe model A? Or maybe something new? After all, Zero gameplay didn't exist until MMX3, and even then, it wasn't clearly defined until later... So maybe the new hero won't show up as far as playability until later?

 

[Zodiac]

I wonder if they'll have a model "R" (or a different letter, if that one's already used) as an easter egg for RnR...

 

[Role]

Model R? For who, Rockman? Might as well be X, since, well he IS. I want Model B. Go Bly. Or, gasp, Model S! SIGMA! he just... won't... go... away...

But no model for Harpnote. We don't need a Condorock/Vultron clone.

 

[Tcatomon]

I agree. Keep EXE and Ryuusei seperate plz. I don't enjoy the series and while the cyber world thing in Zero 3 was a nice touch, I don't own an EXE game, so I really don't care about the extras.
I think the only "reference" to Sigma we're going to get is Serpent having the slight look of Sigma. I can't picture anyone sane going out of their way to find his remains and stick them in a Model, and I'm sure the Maverick Hunters made sure to destroy his body and data once he was done in X8, so it's unlikely to see his return even if Wiel decided to.
And personally I'm sick of having Sigma as the main villian in an obvious groan worthy and predictable attempt to keep the series going. I was happy to see the way X8 ended and I'd prefer to keep it that way.
I think the Models are getting a bit out of hand too. Like I've said before, except ways to advance yourself through the game, most of the Maverick copied souls were completely useless in ZX:A. In ZX:3 I wouldn't mind more of a DEFINING of previous models rather than *more*. And maybe more interaction between the main characters.

 

[Zodiac]

Keep EXE and Ryuusei seperate plz.

Don't you mean Network and Robotics?

And @Role: Model R meant the "Ryuusei" model.

If there's not a model-O (or model-W) for Omega, I'd like to see that...

 

[Role]

Omega HAS a model. Didn't you play the first game?

There is a W/V, but it's not playable, as it's the big boss.

 

[Zodiac]

Omega HAS a model. Didn't you play the first game?

There is a W/V, but it's not playable, as it's the big boss.

Ah. No, I didn't play the first game, as I don't own a DS. I get all my information from Wikipedia... T_T

Does Omega's model go to the playable character, or is it a boss?

 

[Tcatomon]

Omega's just an optional side quest boss. He doesn't add to story at all. It's just a hidden easter egg.

Don't you mean Network and Robotics?

Bad sentance structure on my part, but yes, essentially. I meant keep EXE and Ryuusei crap out of the Robotics universe.

 

[Zodiac]

Bad sentance structure on my part, but yes, essentially. I meant keep EXE and Ryuusei crap out of the Robotics universe.

Maybe you should have said, "Keep EXE and Ryuusei separate from the Robotics timeline." (That would definitely have worked better...)

And Omega's just a side boss? Wah... I wish you could get a model from him.

 

[Role]

I just say Network and Robotics, since, well, that's what they are, and it's the simplest way to say them.


Oh, and Tricky, try the megaman wiki, rather than wikipedia itself. I don't trust wiki much anymore after finding out about it's lies about digimon.

Model O is like Model a. Not A, a. Model a was basically Model A, but with the moveset of Megaman from MM3. Model O is just like a: Fanservice. Not canonical. And also happens to not be as good as Z/Zx. Or rather, it's the same as Zx, but with a crappy OIS.

 

[Zodiac]

Oh, and Tricky, try the megaman wiki, rather than wikipedia itself. I don't trust wiki much anymore after finding out about it's lies about digimon.

I'll do that. (I used to feel uncomfortable with people calling my "tricky"... because I derived that name from an online chain riddle I played.)

Anyway, I don't really read up much about Digimon... (I know, the core tenet of this website, and I don't support it) ...so I wouldn't know.

 

[Tcatomon]

Personally I trust Wiki far more than any other site out there. So, there's a mistake in a Digimon page... *twirls finger in the air* That doesn't mean 99% of the site is wrong too. Someone who edited the page doesn't have their facts together, that's all.

Perfect example: THE RUMOR MILL
http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2008/06/rockman-9-shadow-speaks.html

I'm disappointed to "hear" there wont be the connection to X1.

 

[Role]

Well, wiki's great and all, but only in the places that specialize in the topic. The idividual wikis, so to speak. The main wiki site just doesn't have as much info, and it's scrutinized for accuracy as much.

 

[Zodiac]

So, anyway, back to the old topic! (That is, the "old" topic from page 3... comparing and rating timelines.)

I've started to fall back into an interest with EXE, what with my newfangled obsession with fanfiction writing. I just plain don't like Ryuusei anymore.

That aside, I think Wikipedia is great for general info. (And for any specific info it misses, it provides external links and references. You should check those too.)

 

[Tcatomon]

I lose interest in a series when it starts hitting passed the 52 episode mark.. which is exactly what I did with EXE. I made it passed the first series then just went "meh" over the rest of it. It was just more of the same over and over again. After that if you miss a week or two you end up struggling to *keep* up. e_e

And to be fair to other Wikis I've spotted wrong info on the Halo, Rockman and Legend of Zelda Wikis before too.. Nothing beats out Encyclopedia Dramatica though ;p

One thing I found interesting from the other MM9 topic though... giving robots "expiring dates." ... all I can say is it's about bloody time. Maybe it'll smack some sense into the newfag'd sprite recoloured characters for Classic who suddenly outlast everyone into Legends and upgraded about three different times to Reploid/Cyborg/Model/cyber elf x_X I absolutely HATE that..... At least all my characters have enough decency to die between 21XX and 22XX >_> I think maybe two out of my 50 + character list actually make it to 23XX.
And I actually GAVE my Reploids life spans. *flails around wildly* o>_< o
\rant.

 

[Zodiac]

The only reason I'm interested in EXE again is because I know enough about it to write fanfics. I just plain don't like the anime of either series anymore.

I don't think Axess or Stream will be worth watching...

 

[Role]

General? Yes! Of course it's good for general! But if you want specifics and more focused info, check out a focused wiki, like wikimon or the megaman wiki. You'll get a lot more info than in just wiki, and it'll be more accurate.

Didn't Protoman have that so-called expiration date? Wasn't he malfunctioning in one of the Rockman games? It could be that in this game, his time runs out.

Newfags will be Newfags. It's more or less fact that only X and Zero, the Originals, will last that long. And even they died in the end!

Here's my theory: The models contain the Cyber Elfs of those 6. A, of course, doesn't contain Albert, we can assume it was just created, but the main 6 were said to contain the consciousnesses of the heroes of the past--X turned into a Cyber Elf during Zero. Giro, whom we know as a reploid due to the red triangle on his head, went cyber-elf when he died. Phantom we know went Cyber Elf. With that, we could say that all 6 of them were, and became housed within the models!

 

[Tcatomon]

To TP:
Go read the Manga. Personally I liked it better and it wasn't *completely* full of crap (and more Forte ) Even if they used the English names (boo).

Proto didn't have an expiration date, he was just a prototype to Rock and was created faulty. He probably would have eventually died naturally because he was too stubborn to let Light upgrade him (and honestly I'm not sure if that was possible without killing him. I thought it like in a human where the chances of surviving a major surgery are slim).

Giro was actually human. Somewhere in and around age 25 (remember he took in Vent/Aile 10 years ago.. so he'd need to be a bit older than everyone). :3
I see the reason for it, but I liked his in-process name of Silve better >>

 

[Role]

Eh? I kept hearing people say that that red triangle thing is the mark of a reploid. Maybe they were wrong?

 

[Tcatomon]

I swear... I know it's on the internet *somewhere*, I just can't find it to back me up here. x.x; It's like.. an audio drama.. or.. SOMETHING where it's mentioned and not many people know about it. .. I'll keep looking. @o; But, in the meantime, it never really states he's a Reploid either. Alot of the resistance guys are human and have that red mark on their foreheads too (not to mention Vent and Aile get one materialize on their foreheads before they transform into ZX). Personally I think it's a weird design.. thing. o_o but I guess you have to do something when alot of Reploids don't have a helmet or a gem anymore.

The other thing that throws me is they give his actual AGE as being between 15 and 25 during Vent/Aile joining up with him and present time...

 

[Role]

Meh. But anywho, that aside, I still think that the LiveMetals/BioMetals contain the Cyber Elfs of X, Zero, Leviathan, Harupia, Fafnir, and Phantom. They keep more or less their personalities, and how they treat one another.

Also, Zero was able to kick the guardian's ass on his own before, and he does it again as Model Z in ZXA! XD

 

[Zodiac]

To TP:
Go read the Manga. Personally I liked it better and it wasn't *completely* full of crap (and more Forte ) Even if they used the English names (boo).

Proto didn't have an expiration date, he was just a prototype to Rock and was created faulty.

I did read the manga. (They didn't completely use English names, they still used "Beastman" instead of "Savageman" for Beastman.)

Proto, or Protoman? I get mixed up between the two because Proto is the net system itself. (Or at least in my fanfic, it is... why do I keep referencing it?)

 

[Role]

Uh, you're view on Proto is correct. It was CHANGED to Alpha because of the English name for Blues, which is Protoman. Thus, to prevent confusion, it became Alpha, which has similar meaning.

I'm still calling them Proto and Blues, but not everyone does here so I try to use English terms so people understand.

 

[Tcatomon]

*facepalm*
Fine, Protoman then e_e ye Gods.

 

[Role]

?? What are you facepalming for? *looks up*

Oh... Tricky, it should have been OBVIOUS who she was talking about. >_>

 

[Zodiac]

?? What are you facepalming for? *looks up*

Oh... Tricky, it should have been OBVIOUS who she was talking about. >_>

Of course it was obvious - just pointing out an error. (I have a bad habit of doing that... I need to stop before someone makes me a moderator at some other forum.)

Uh, you're view on Proto is correct. It was CHANGED to Alpha because of the English name for Blues, which is Protoman. Thus, to prevent confusion, it became Alpha, which has similar meaning.

In the original game, Proto was more like an evil prototype of the current net system. In my "view", Proto is actually the technology that the 200X cyberworld is built upon. Thus, my view on Proto is not entirely accurate.

 

[Tcatomon]

It wasn't an "error", it was me having a personal preference to just calling him "Proto". And yes, you need to stop doing that before you piss someone off. You're talking to someone who's got the Robotics timeline memorized down to physical dates and knows every bloody thing about the silly arsed world because I've played it so much and I DO MY RESEARCH. The fact I dropped the "man" in his name is a matter of me being a lazy arse and shouldn't have anything to do whether you can figure out if it's some EXE thing (of which it has no relevance to the current topic anyway) or Blues/Protoman.. who we were obviously talking about. ;

 

[Zodiac]

It wasn't an "error", it was me having a personal preference to just calling him "Proto". And yes, you need to stop doing that before you piss someone off. You're talking to someone who's got the Robotics timeline memorized down to physical dates and knows every bloody thing about the silly arsed world because I've played it so much and I DO MY RESEARCH. The fact I dropped the "man" in his name is a matter of me being a lazy arse and shouldn't have anything to do whether you can figure out if it's some EXE thing (of which it has no relevance to the current topic anyway) or Blues/Protoman.. who we were obviously talking about. ;

(I can tell you're pretty angry... I mean, you called yourself a lazy arse. That's kinda hot-tempered.)

Yep, what you said pretty much sums it up. (Damn it, why am I doing this, I'm only making you more angry by treating this so callously.)

Wait, you have the entire robotics timeline memorized to physical dates? But I thought they never used physical dates... (Is it some vague reference? I don't remember there being any real dates; it was all 2-thousand-X and the subsequent centuries. But then again, I don't do much research unless I need it for something...)

I've never done much research about games. But let's hope people don't call me a "noob" for that... I mean, if something is wrong with my facts, I wouldn't know unless I happen to come across something, or someone tells me.

(It's not that I don't know absolutely anything about the Robotics timeline, just that I know very little about the original and X games, considering I've never actually played them before.)

 

[Tcatomon]

http://www.wikiknowledge.net/wiki/Mega_Man_Timeline

Research. That's why the internet exists, so when you type something you know all the facts.
I guess "physical dates" is rather narrow a term come to think of it. Rough dates would have been better terminology, I suppose, since most of them say "circa".

And for the record... I am a lazy arse ;p Though to be fair I have to know this stuff.. I've run a Megaman RP nearly every night for about four years now, and it comes in handy when you have a webcomic.

 

[Zodiac]

http://www.wikiknowledge.net/wiki/Mega_Man_Timeline

Research. That's why the internet exists, so when you type something you know all the facts.
I guess "physical dates" is rather narrow a term come to think of it. Rough dates would have been better terminology, I suppose, since most of them say "circa".

And for the record... I am a lazy arse ;p Though to be fair I have to know this stuff.. I've run a Megaman RP nearly every night for about four years now, and it comes in handy when you have a webcomic.

Ahh. I'm not very observant about other wikis out there... mainly because I don't really need the research for anything.

 

[Tcatomon]

I'm a very bored person. ... *coughs*

 

[Zodiac]

We're all bored. It's officially summer vacation for us, and it looks like I'll be absorbed in fanfic writing for the next two months.

 

[Role]

C>

Uh, people, calm down here! Okay, kids, I know it's summer and you're all psyched that school's out and all, but don't take out your frustration of not being able to enjoying the great slayer of boredom that is school on my thread okay? Thanks!


Anywho, back to topic, what do you think about Megaman 9?

 

[Tcatomon]

School? *laughs* I haven't been in school in two years ;p

MM9? Uhm.. personally I find it too soon to judge. The rumors flying around are just rumors as far as I'm concerned and I'm not all sure how to judge those either. Some of it sounds good, others are just 'wtf?' worthy. I'd prefer if they kept to their roots and didn't try to go all extreeeeeeeme on us like they did with the jump from X4 to X7.
I am highly disappointed they're not tying into the X games, though I kind of like the idea of having Forte/Proto/Megaman as playable characters. I think they should just stop there though.. I keep hearing stories of playing as Roll and some secret character. All it is is fanservice to be perfectly honest and I think it's unnecessary.
But, if they can pull it off RIGHT I suppose I'll have a better opinion of it. I'm sort of reserving flames and praise until E3 tells us more about it. For all I know all the rumors are complete lies, so...

 

[Role]

Oh? I'm class of '05! Nice to see another graduate! It's sad how most of these sites are crowded with kids...

Yeah, I agree with you. We've got tie-ins for everything BUT the original to X games right now, so it's kinda annoying. Maybe capcom is to worried about bowing to gamer theories that Zero was the end of all things in the original series. XD

The problem I see with that Who-- I mean Roll is that... what will she use? Actually, how will gameplay go with Blues? I know Mega has straight firing, sliding, and charging, and bass has double jumping, 8 directional firing and rapid fire from other games, but I've never played a game where Blues was playable (other than EXE5...), so I don't know how he'd play. But how will Roll play? With that lame ass broom from Powered Up? Sorry, that's just... no.

 

[Zodiac]

C>

Uh, people, calm down here! Okay, kids, I know it's summer and you're all psyched that school's out and all, but don't take out your frustration of not being able to enjoying the great slayer of boredom that is school on my thread okay? Thanks!


Anywho, back to topic, what do you think about Megaman 9?

I wasn't acting aggravated or anything... (about school, that is.)

Anyway, about Megaman 9, I think it's been about 10 years since they released a story from the original series. I'd like to see the new addition and actually play it, because I've never played any of the original series games before.

 

[Role]

I wasn't acting aggravated or anything... (about school, that is.)

Anyway, about Megaman 9, I think it's been about 10 years since they released a story from the original series. I'd like to see the new addition and actually play it, because I've never played any of the original series games before.

Okay! First thing you need to learn: You can't dash jump or climb walls. Like I said earlier, after having done that in ALL OF REST OF THE SERIES, it was so hard to go back to original megaman that I died 20 times before getting to the first robot master! You need to be a lot more careful when timing your jumps... @_@

 

[Tcatomon]

I thought it was longer than 10 years, but I guess you're right. MM8 came out in 97. o.0

If nothing else I'd like to see something like Power Battle with Forte/Rock/Blues movements and attacks. I agree that IF Roll is playable she should at least get a little more dignity than she did in Power Up, personally I couldn't stand what I saw of that game too and I fully understand why it and MHX sold poorly (that and PSP exclusive? wtf, Capcom..).


Also.. Uni Graduate of 2006. Six years of college for the lazy win >.> Too bad the economy blows and I can't find a job *anywhere*.

Edit: Well, no wall climbs/jumps perse.. but remember in Power battle you could bound off walls with Protoman. There's more "rumors" flying you can do that with him, at least.

 

[Role]

I thought it was longer than 10 years, but I guess you're right. MM8 came out in 97. o.0

If nothing else I'd like to see something like Power Battle with Forte/Rock/Blues movements and attacks. I agree that IF Roll is playable she should at least get a little more dignity than she did in Power Up, personally I couldn't stand what I saw of that game too and I fully understand why it and MHX sold poorly (that and PSP exclusive? wtf, Capcom..).


Also.. Uni Graduate of 2006. Six years of college for the lazy win >.> Too bad the economy blows and I can't find a job *anywhere*.

Edit: Well, no wall climbs/jumps perse.. but remember in Power battle you could bound off walls with Protoman. There's more "rumors" flying you can do that with him, at least.

University? Oh, wow. I wish I could go... but I'm poor... T-T

As for MHX, they spent all that time and work on the background, and because of that, the foreground (what MATTERS) suffered horrendously.

I haven't personally played powerbattles, but I do know that a Triangle Jump/Wall Bound is NOT wall climbing. You get the edge, only to jump back into the pit of doom! WTF?!

I'll take wall climbing and dashing, any day. But, I guess that's what adds to the challenge of the original megaman. Out of all the megaman games I've played, 7 (the only original series game I've played) is harder than all the X, Zero, and ZX games. Harder than Zero... wow.

 

[Tcatomon]

University? Oh, wow. I wish I could go... but I'm poor... T-T

I'm poor and $35,000 in debt with no job d: BEAT THAT.

I really enjoyed Power Battle honestly ^^; I got to play it a couple years ago before hit hit the Megaman collection. I just wish they'd kept the vocals in the console version.. I really liked listening to Forte growl and mutter XD;

 

[Role]

Hey... I was thinking... You know what would be cool? If they made games for the elf wars! I'd love to know the various chapters that occurred between series! How about you? What do you think?

 

[Zodiac]

Okay! First thing you need to learn: You can't dash jump or climb walls. Like I said earlier, after having done that in ALL OF REST OF THE SERIES, it was so hard to go back to original megaman that I died 20 times before getting to the first robot master! You need to be a lot more careful when timing your jumps... @_@

You don't think I've played games where you can't climb walls?

Try playing Sonic if you're so bad at the original Megaman series now. It's good practice. (I alternate spellings of "practise" for the noun and the verb. It makes sense.)

I'm poor and $35,000 in debt with no job d: BEAT THAT.

Can't get a job? Why not try workopolis? (Oh, wait, are you in the US? I think Workopolis works there to, but I know Monster.ca is only for Canada.)

 

[Tcatomon]

Heh, that's one reason I never liked the Classic series all that much. I got so used to working with Zero, Rock was just slow as hell and most of the jumps were near impossible to get across. And yet.. people still do it. It amazes me. I didn't get that far on the MM collection except for 6, 7 & 8. (Unless you count the Sega versions of 1 - 3 I did beat xD))

Can't get a job? Why not try workopolis? (Oh, wait, are you in the US? I think Workopolis works there to, but I know Monster.ca is only for Canada.)

Seriously..giving me help for jobs is like giving advice to the Pope. I've got my resume on Monster, and several others. The problem is finding the right one. Companies don't exactly look over Monster as frequently as people lead you to believe, But I've got everything covered, our economy just blows and no one is hiring. I live in one of the biggest tourist areas in the US and 90% of this county is on unemployment (mine ran out in April) because the summer season is dead (With gas prices just under $4.00/gallon I don't blame people for not going anywhere). Once September rolls around there'll be no jobs again until May.
Not that I want to be in retail my whole life, but no one is taking chances on newbies in the animation field either.

 

[Zodiac]

Seriously..giving me help for jobs is like giving advice to the Pope. I've got my resume on Monster, and several others. The problem is finding the right one. Companies don't exactly look over Monster as frequently as people lead you to believe, But I've got everything covered, our economy just blows and no one is hiring. I live in one of the biggest tourist areas in the US and 90% of this county is on unemployment (mine ran out in April) because the summer season is dead (With gas prices just under $4.00/gallon I don't blame people for not going anywhere). Once September rolls around there'll be no jobs again until May.
Not that I want to be in retail my whole life, but no one is taking chances on newbies in the animation field either.

Ah. So there's your problem. No one wants to hire?

Stupid US economy... it's probably going to affect Canada as well.

 

[Tcatomon]

It's already affected everywhere... do you not watch the news? People closer to the US/Canada border are especially affected.. in the Michigan/Ontario area especially where there's all those GM layoffs and that God awful 911 panicky BS going on at the Ambassador Bridge.

 

[Role]

You don't think I've played games where you can't climb walls?

Try playing Sonic if you're so bad at the original Megaman series now. It's good practice. (I alternate spellings of "practise" for the noun and the verb. It makes sense.)

Sonic can run fast. Megaman's ungodly slow. You have ONE jumping speed compared to sonic's... what, twenty different possible jumping speeds? The lack of a dash jump (which sonic CAN do!) is where most of my problems come up (slide dash jumping usually lands you headfirst into a pit of doom).


Oh, and at least here in the US, we're heading more or less into recession. It took me two damn years to find a job, and it pays minimum wage... >_>

I blame oil, not 911. Oil has been causing one hell of an inflation, and due to the rising costs of EVERYTHING as a result, companies can't afford to keep people hired.

 

[Tcatomon]

LOL. Oh I didn't even see the Sonic reference. Gawd, don't even get me started on why I hate that franchise since it went 3D.... I wouldn't even put it within ten feet of comparing it to Megaman. X, Zero, Classic or otherwise.

And I didn't specifically mean 911 WAS the reason for the recession.. it's just border crossings are taking FOREVER to get across now that everyone's all over-panicky. No one bothers to go shopping in Detroit or Windsor, which kills both economies on either side.
Gas prices are the root of everything, no doubt. No tourism, no spending, everyone's afraid the government will take their house. Business is down 50% over all here. Ugh. I remember when gas was $1.64 when I first started driving. I could survive on $20 a week. Now it's more than $40. e_e

 

[Zodiac]

I blame oil, not 911. Oil has been causing one hell of an inflation, and due to the rising costs of EVERYTHING as a result, companies can't afford to keep people hired.

Of course it's oil, not 911. And it is more or less a recession... how do you think it'll be in 4 years, when I'm looking for a job? (I live in Toronto, so what might I be able to do?)

Sonic can run fast. Megaman's ungodly slow. You have ONE jumping speed compared to sonic's... what, twenty different possible jumping speeds? The lack of a dash jump (which sonic CAN do!) is where most of my problems come up (slide dash jumping usually lands you headfirst into a pit of doom).

Ah, so that's the problem. Yeah, I wish Megaman had some ability other than double jump, and even then you need an item. (Wait, that's Zero and R&F for me, but I'm not so sure about the original series.)

Sonic has 20 jumping speeds? I seem to only remember using one... XD

 

[Tcatomon]

Dude, Toronto is the backbone of Canada for nearly *everything*. The other major areas are Vancouver and Ottawa, with Montreal and Calgary probably coming up close behind.

So long as MM9 plays out something like R&F or Power Battle I'll be fine. <.<
It's been confirmed for XBL, PSN, and Wii (whatever the heck they use), so I'm just wondering now if it's going to cost a full $50 for download, or if they're going to do it cheaper since it's a (^*&^%* DOWNLOAD >_<
Hm... with all the characters I wonder... Co-op? o_o

 

[Zodiac]

Dude, Toronto is the backbone of Canada for nearly *everything*. The other major areas are Vancouver and Ottawa, with Montreal and Calgary probably coming up close behind.

So long as MM9 plays out something like R&F or Power Battle I'll be fine. <.<
It's been confirmed for XBL, PSN, and Wii (whatever the heck they use), so I'm just wondering now if it's going to cost a full $50 for download, or if they're going to do it cheaper since it's a (^*&^%* DOWNLOAD >_<
Hm... with all the characters I wonder... Co-op? o_o

Very true. But... if it really is the backbone, it'll be affected the worst by a recession, if it leaks over into Canada, which I have no doubt it will if Canada keeps up its bilateral trade efforts with the US, which I don't really think it should.

Co-op would be cool. I mean, most Sonic games released nowadays that are not part of original canon (case in point, Sonic Heroes and Sonic Advance 3) have a team system, as well as a few Mario games (Mario Kart Double Dash and Mario Kart DS).

 

[Tcatomon]

Considering American and Canadian money are on par with one another right now I doubt you have anything to worry about. The last time money came out like that was WWII.

And also you could move to BC right now and pick up a job right off the streets. Saying Toronto doesn't have any jobs is like saying Hollywood wont ever make movies again. I happen to know a BUNCH of people who work in Toronto from bank teller to McDonald's. In today's market you just have to be willing to not stay in the same area for the rest of your life, either. I got a chance to move to Victoria for the summer, but.. well.. meh, life got in the way right now.

 

[Zodiac]

Considering American and Canadian money are on par with one another right now I doubt you have anything to worry about. The last time money came out like that was WWII.

And also you could move to BC right now and pick up a job right off the streets. Saying Toronto doesn't have any jobs is like saying Hollywood wont ever make movies again. I happen to know a BUNCH of people who work in Toronto from bank teller to McDonald's. In today's market you just have to be willing to not stay in the same area for the rest of your life, either. I got a chance to move to Victoria for the summer, but.. well.. meh, life got in the way right now.

Of course Toronto has jobs. But the university I want to go to is in Waterloo... think I should move back to Toronto if I get into it (slim chance, considering my English mark this year was 82 and it doesn't like I'm going to be taking the regular academic course any time soon -- I'm in the "gifted" course) and graduate (even slimmer chance, considering my inability to mature)?

 

[Tcatomon]

*shrug* It all depends on where you want to end up. If there's one thing I've learned in school it's that it doesn't matter what your scores are or how much money you have.. if you can hand a school a cheque they'll open wide their doors. Unless of course you're looking into Harvard or something like that. I doubt my crappy little GPA in high school would have even gotten me into the parking lot :lol:

 

[Zodiac]

*shrug* It all depends on where you want to end up. If there's one thing I've learned in school it's that it doesn't matter what your scores are or how much money you have.. if you can hand a school a cheque they'll open wide their doors. Unless of course you're looking into Harvard or something like that. I doubt my crappy little GPA in high school would have even gotten me into the parking lot :lol:

Ahh. But that might be in the US... and I'm not looking into Harvard or even MIT for that matter. I just plain don't like the US's system. I mean, their schools and everything are pretty good, but I'm more concerned about the "life" portion of my post-secondary education..

 

[Tcatomon]

*coughs* Hey, choose your words wisely, kthnx. I've graduated from both US and Canadian universities. -.-; There's nothing "life" about it. You live in a dorm, pay them money, get an internship, and graduate to owe them your first born. That's how these things work, no matter WHAT a guidance councilor says.
lol. It's like when teachers freak you out that your perminant record is going to follow you around for the rest of your life. If my school had known what my record looked like they'd never have let me in XD

 

[Zodiac]

*coughs* Hey, choose your words wisely, kthnx. I've graduated from both US and Canadian universities. -.-;

You've graduated from 2 universities? (XD, I didn't think that was possible.)

You live in a dorm, pay them money, get an internship, and graduate to owe them your first born.

That's not what I meant when I said "life". I meant, the social aspect and the stuff I'd be doing outside of the university's or college's education aspect itself.

That being said, I'd probably get in on a scholarship in a math contest. My parents say that if I beat the Canadian Open Mathematics Challenge this year and go on to get a good standing at the CMO, universities will be chasing my tail for scholarships when I'm in Grade 12. (I doubt this part is true, but hey, at least whoever I apply to will stand a good chance of accepting me. It's also a pretty big if. I'm not very good at trigonometry yet.)

That also being said, I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to do there, or what job I want to pursue. I have a general direction, towards either game design or authoring. Who knows, I might work for Capcom. (Yeah, fat chance... I know. XD)

 

[Role]

Hey, let's not argue over who has the more worthless life. We all have an equal lack of a life here on this forum, and all of us are messed up enough to take pride in that fact.

If you disagree with me, I will beat the hell out of you. Not because you disagree. It'd be because you keep going further off topic.

Less talk about our lack-of-lives IRL, more talk about Robotics timeline, 'k? You've got the general forums for IRL whining and discussion.

 

[Zodiac]

Hey, let's not argue over who has the more worthless life. We all have an equal lack of a life here on this forum, and all of us are messed up enough to take pride in that fact.

If you disagree with me, I will beat the hell out of you. Not because you disagree. It'd be because you keep going further off topic.

Less talk about our lack-of-lives IRL, more talk about Robotics timeline, 'k? You've got the general forums for IRL whining and discussion.

Yep, we just got really off-topic. (We have a habit of doing that...)

Anyway, this topic is boring. All I can actually ask is what new biometals might be introduced. (Does this take place before or after Legends, chronologically? Stupid question... )

 

[Tcatomon]

Before Legends. About 6000 - 8000 years before.

 

[Zodiac]

Before Legends. About 6000 - 8000 years before.

Ah. But Legends was released 4 (5-10?) years earlier. Do they have to make the storyline fit, or is it that there's no contradiction anywhere?

 

[Tcatomon]

In an 8000 year span I'd assume they could say it took place on Mars and no one would contradict anything. Technology, language, culture and geography was much different from today than it was 8000 years ago. Legends is so far in the future and has no real official ties to the series it doesn't matter.

 

[Zodiac]

In an 8000 year span I'd assume they could say it took place on Mars and no one would contradict anything. Technology, language, culture and geography was much different from today than it was 8000 years ago. Legends is so far in the future and has no real official ties to the series it doesn't matter.

Ahh... I see. No historical accounts in Legends to take into effect?

That makes my fanfic-writing life so much easier... I can be a lot more creative...

 

[Role]

Dunno. I don't consider it much canon to the robotics timeline, I see it as an offshoot of the original. I've never really played it though, so I don't really know all that much about it.

 

[Tcatomon]

Well, everything before it has come to set the stage to what happens in Legends. The creators of the Zero series have said as much, so even though they're separated by that much time it still happens and is still set in the same 'world'. It'd be like saying the Ice Age wasn't relevant to today because it was so long ago.

Legends is probably my least favourite of the whole series. It's got raving lunatic fans for it, but I suppose it's one of those "if you didn't grow up with it, you can't appreciate it" sort of deals. The graphics are almost painful to look at, the controls even more so.
Story centers around how the earth is flooded, people live on tiny islands, and Megaman, Roll Caskett, and their "grandfather" Professor Barrel Caskett search around the world, digging through ancient ruins, in search of Quantum Refractors, which is the major source of power. ... And of course the series has Servbots! They're probably the best thing about the series. Though I've heard amusing things about The Misadventures of Tron Bonne. My writer for RtS is a huge fan of Legends, so I hear alot about it d:

 

[Pluvius]

Legends is so far in the future and has no real official ties to the series it doesn't matter.

You are aware that the system Trigger destroys in DASH 2, Elysium, is the same Elysium X strived to create &, apparently, thanks to DASH being in the timeline, successfully created?

 

[Tcatomon]

*face plants* Bugger. You got me there. I always assumed when Inticreates had said "sets the stage for Legends" they means more of "Well, this is over.. onto new things!" I never played much of 2, but I forgot that completely.

 

[Role]

I never played either. It's just not megaman to me if it's not sidescrolling. It's one reason I hated X7. That, and they were so ungodly slow...

 

[Tcatomon]

I skipped a day of class to finish X7. *POSE!* .. In hindsight I probably should have gone to class. XD On the upside I bought my Ps2 the day X7 came out. I probably would have skipped that generation of console if it wasn't for that.
I was just thankful for the Japanese voice options, it made the faults tolerable at the time.. I don't see myself actually sitting down to play through it again though.

 

[Pluvius]

I never finished X7, but intend to if I ever get another PS2.

 

[Role]

I got fed up just with getting Axl through that damn door with the horrible controls. I'm glad it was a friend's game... Needless to say I didn't make it to the end of the opening level before getting a game over.

 

[Role]

So, anyone know anything new yet?

 

[Crash And Burn]

No, not yet...

 

[Role]

Okay then, so with the impending release of Rockman 9, and no credible news in the way of Rockman ZX 3, I feel it's safe to say that Rockman 9 is the only Robotics Timeline release this year. What are your thoughts?

 

[Tcatomon]

I'm disappointed. This will be the first year without a Zero/ZX for a span of about seven years! Yes, I'm not much of a classic fan, and it's been beaten to death how much MM9 is a disappointment to alot of people... b-but ZX3! ;_; want on epic levels.
The only Megaman anything I've gotten this year then was the Zero art book.

 

[Pluvius]

Well, Tatsunoko vs Capcom has Legends stuff in it, if you wanna count that, & if that comes out this year.

 

[Tcatomon]

Well, Tatsunoko vs Capcom has Legends stuff in it, if you wanna count that, & if that comes out this year.

Only in Japan.

 

[Pluvius]

Is it never coming stateside? Are console releases even slated yet? I was under the impression it was an arcade title only currently, but I hardly pay attention. On one hand, it seems unlikely to come here because of licensing issues, but then again, it's the heir apparent of the Marvel versus series.

As far as timeline stuff goes, it won't matter. Cameos aren't canon in my book, much as I love them. I assume everyone else has that same opinion, at least with the canon status.

 

[Role]

With characters that the US has NEVER heard of, most of them TV show characters from the looks of it, I'd say that ain't coming stateside. I mean, it'd be cool, seeing it, but it's highly unlikely.

About as unlikely as a Doremon (sp?) movie showing up in US theaters, which is approximately equal to a snowball's chance of survival in hell, assuming that this is the hell in which all hell breaks loose, rather than the hell that freezes over. Yeah, I know, it sucks.

What disturbs me, though, is that we haven't even gotten any NEWS on ZX3, not even if they've swiped a licence to make it yet!

 

[Pluvius]

Capcom of Japan cares only about Japanese sales of games, they set a number like 100,000 or something, & ZXA never reached that number, or it did so over far too long of a period of time. Unfortunately, I think the ZX series is getting canned.

 

[Role]

It's lasted too long, so they'll either conclude it with the third, then go on to the next series and hope they make it better, or they'll just keep going.

I mean, if they just stop making them, the fans will cause an uproar... It'd mark the end of the Original Rockman Storyline... and do so on a cliffhanger. Nobody wants that. If they just stop making the games, it could backfire.

 

[Pluvius]

Hopefully MM9 means that they're actually listening to what we want, & they'll pick up Legends & the Powered Up & MHX series.

 

[Tcatomon]

Don't count on the PSP games. Sales were really REALLY poor for it. Inifune has already said he will do Legends 3 if Capcom "ever throws money at me for it".

 

[Pluvius]

Well, they can be on a different platform, like WiiWare, XBLA, & PSN. I think they'd do very well there. Rockman Rockman outsold DMC4 in Japan during DMC4's release week because of a newfound interest in PSP Slims the Japanese have.

 

[Pluvius]

I found this to be quite interesting, especially the first question.

1) Did Zero really "kill" the family between the events of the Classic Mega Man and X series?

KI: No, Zero did not kill them. According to the way I created him, Zero is not such a person--it is not in his profile.

2) Any plan to create more games for the Mega Man X series? What about Rockman Dash/Mega Man Legends?

KI: I would love to do more games in the Mega Man Legends and X series, but the business of these games must be considered. Passion and creativity are great, but the reality is that they must be balanced with profitability.

In the case of Mega Man 9, the chance to create it as a downloadable title made this great idea a financial possibility and we did it. We must always search for ways to minimize our risks while also creating great games.

3) What's your favorite hobby when you aren't making games?

KI: I work a lot but in my spare time I enjoy photography, going to the movies, and basically anything unrelated to work. Beyond being enjoyable for their own sake, these hobbies also give me new ideas for games. For instance, the photography mechanic in Dead Rising came from my personal fondness for taking interesting pictures.

4) What was the inspiration for Sigma?

KI: Some people think he might have been inspired by Sagat from Street Fighter because of his look, but that's not actually the case. Sigma and Zero basically represent the idea that nothing is absolute. Sigma was a powerful leader of the Maverick Hunters but after Zero passed the virus to him, his allegiance changed. Circumstances can change anything, and nothing is absolute.

5) Have you ever considered a Rockman fighting game? What about other genres of Mega Man games like shooters or MMOs, or RTS?

KI: I have always considered Mega Man as I conceived it to be basically an action game, so I have not personally thought a lot about other genres of Mega Man games.

6) What happened to Dr. Wily in Rockman X series? Are Dr. Wily and Dr. Weil the same person? Were they ever supposed to be?

KI: A large amount of time has passed between the classic series and Mega Man X. Dr. Wily had died in the interim but was brought back by the virus. Dr. Wily and Weil are not the same person. It is ironic though, because Dr. Wily created Zero, and Dr. Weil used Zero, but ultimately it was a copy of Zero's original body with a different mind that defeated him.

7) Do you think we'll ever see Mega Man in a Smash Brothers game?

KI: That is probably a question better suited for Nintendo than for Capcom. If they were to ask, I see no reason to say no. We'll see what happens.

Would you consider making a two-player coop Mega Man game for consoles?

KI: I think this is quite difficult--even close to impossible with the current style of Mega Man. With a different style of game, I think this could be possible.

9) If there are more MM games, is there any chance you will revive the Robot Master community contest where people submit their own Robot Master designs?

KI: If Mega Man 9 becomes a big success and we were to make Mega Man 10, I think our activities with and connectedness to the fans through the internet mean we could certainly bring back this contest.

10) What does your office look like?

KI: Actually it is almost completely decorated by the creations of fans. It is stuffed with drawings, paintings, toys, and every other kind of creation that people have given me over the years.

 

[Pluvius]

I thought these were amusing, considering that catacylsm supporters were a sort of plague for many years.

 

[Role]

Capcom has retconned things before, so don't remove the option from the table.

Though, I might suggest... Don't write off X, either. Actually, since the Zero Virus was the Sigma/Maverick virus the whole time, it could also be Rock, Forte, Blues, or my personal favorite choice for the bringer of cataclysm, the one nobody expects - Roll.

 

[Pluvius]

Capcom has retconned things before, so don't remove the option from the table.

I would take Inafune's word over Capcom's. Zero is his character, & his favorite, so a lot of care was taken when choosing those words.

Though, I might suggest... Don't write off X, either. Actually, since the Zero Virus was the Sigma/Maverick virus the whole time, it could also be Rock, Forte, Blues, or my personal favorite choice for the bringer of cataclysm, the one nobody expects - Roll.

I think expecting any of the classic characters to kill everyone is grasping at straws. It's not fitting with the theme of the classic series. Nobody really dies in classic. Everyone can come back that is destroyed, & they often do.

 

[Dengar]

Isn't it possible that Mega and the others just got 'old' and were tossed? I mean, I replace my computer at least once every ten years.

 

[Pluvius]

Yes. It's the most likely possibility, as it has the least surprises.

 

[Role]

And after the release of Rockman 9, suddenly all's quiet on the Robotics Front.

So then, back to conspiracies, theories, and other odds and ends, I suppose? At least until ZX3?

 

[Tcatomon]

I think 9 was a waste of time.

Moving on...

Uhm. Now that 9's done, maybe they'll work out ZX:3? ;_; plz?

 

[Role]

Ah, you're the first person I've seen that didn't like nine. I've really got no comment, as I've got none of the Current Gen consoles.

So, what are your hopes for ZX3?

Personally, I might like to play Pandora and Prometheus. Perhaps as model D and W (Death and Witch)? Though, if they do that, I wonder how they'll pull it off out of japan...

Though, So long as they don't keep adding more and more models, that'd be great... I'd also prefer to play as pre-existing main characters. Perhaps Dx and Wx, or via A-Trans, we could FINALLY play as Death and Witch...

I mean, it's like the first time people saw Zero. I wanted to play as them the first time I saw them. I wonder how they would play...

 

[Tcatomon]

Put Megaman 1 - 6 into a blender, take out slide, charged buster, and copy/paste existing Robot Masters together while adding enough nostalgia to make your twenty + year old fans of the series wet themselves with delight. Sprinkle with ear piercing 8-bit sound and take out everything that was actually FUN in the series and replace it with classic 80's gaming brutality AND )&(&*% DISAPPEARING PLATFORMS!! and you got MM9 IMHO. The story is predictable, the sprites are rehashed, and Megaman's "OMG it's WILY!? D: " makes me want to smack him upside the head with the Stupid Stick countless times through the game.
I beat the 8 Robot Masters and I don't ever seeing myself picking it up again. I watched the "ending" on Youtube, which was more or less "yay, Megaman saves the world... again." Everybody clap, roll credits, no spoilers, no deep enthralling story, no big revelations, no "Oh GOD I hope they make MM10! I must know what happens NEXT!!". Fanservice complete. Shut system off. The end.

 

[Role]

Then again, we were all expecting that kinda crap to happen. Makes you think, though. Since you've got the whole 'expiration date' thing going on, how about for Rock and Roll? Perhaps I was right when I've said all along that Roll was the bringer of the Cataclysm. They may not want to die, and may snap just like the RM9 robot masters (though they were convinced by Wily, but we all knew he was at fault from the get go).

The biggest thing I want though are some transition games. Something like RMZ4 was to RMZX1. I want freaking closure to the sagas, so they can focus on the continuation of the story.

 

[Tcatomon]

Well, from what we know about the end of the X series and what we learn about the Elf wars I think there's just enough closure on the X series that if X9 was never made I'd have enough to let it die peacefully.
Zero series? Good.
ZX needs a 3 first.
Legends I could care less about, but a 3 would make fans happy if it ever did "end".
Classic needs to see SOME kind of transition. Just going "Wily saves the day.. yey! ....... Meanwhile 100 years from now" IS kind of lame.

Well, we know Zero didn't kill everyone, so we're down at least ONE suspect xD Maybe Rock just snapped, took Roll with him and they both went nuts destroying everyone. I mean.. I can't really see someone like Forte being powerful enough to take out Rock.. despite the fact he's my favourite classic character.
Though, if you use the Gameboy games in the mix Rock destroys himself in some kind of weird paradox timeline...thing. But there's an argument on whether those are canon or not.
If the expiration date thing overlaps onto Rock and Roll too that'd be.. kind of a 'blah' way to end the series. Instead of dieing a hero he goes out by way of an "off" switch --;

 

[Tcatomon]

Crad. Finger slipped. Hit post twice.

 

[Role]

I dunno. I wanna PLAY the elf wars. Sounds like it'd be fun!

I mean, think about it: The Rockman Elf Wars Saga. How cool would that be?

As for X9, I say let it be the final one, where the Mother Elf is created and purges the Zero/Sigma virus forever.

Then, after ZX ends, they can go back... And the Elf Wars Saga will begin! I'd love to choose between X and Zero, only using the Element system and artstyles from Zero.

And I still say Roll did it. I swear on my death bead, that loli whore is responsible for the Cataclysm. Rock just couldn't bring himself to hurt his sister. She just smiled with that snapped expression of hers and shot him dead. Continuing on her rampage of destruction, Wily, fearing for his life, actives Zero to save him. Zero, being the hero he is, gives Wily the big FU, kills him, then goes to confront Roll, where he wins with an OHKO. He IS Zero, after all. He's just that badass. Then you find out that the Sigma/Zero Virus is ACTUALLY the Roll virus. After an 'Oh Shi-' moment, Zero seals himself away as he tries to fight the virus, in order to protect us all.

All the while, X was asleep. What a lazy bastard.

 

[Tcatomon]

Oh, I never said playing the Elf Wars WOULDN'T be fun... ;p I just figure the X 1 - 8 saga is concluded (Since they were heavy into Sigma running amok and he's gone). Maybe they could do it in something like a spin-off X game.. like Command Mission 2: Elf Wars or something like that and tweak the RPG element to it (Plus I'm still die-hard set on learning more about Spider! D:< RAR). It'd be heavy story based either way and either way it WOULD be awesome to see. Just.. right now I think the Zero series gave us enough to fill in the gaps and it sounds like Capcom's more interested in going forward than retelling, sadly.

 

[Role]

I wouldn't say that. Capcom's more interested in MAKING MONEY. That's why we probably haven't heard ANYTHING about ZX3...

 

[Tcatomon]

ZX threeeee ;_;
Don't forget most of the previous games have been usually released in the spring and released in English in the fall.. and now MM9 is out of the way... :3
I refuse to lose hope!

 

[Role]

True, we still have hope... sorta. Perhaps it's just that they work on one Network Timeline and one Robotics timeline game at a time. IF that's the case, then let's pray for the next installment in ZX! If not, let's pray for the next TWO installments of ZX!

Because I'm not that big a fan of RnR as I am to EXE and Robotics Timeline!

 

[Pluvius]

ITT:
Tcatomon sucks at playing Mega Man games.

Also, lol @ "ear piercing 8-bit sound". Somebody has quite a problem with 8-bit music for no reason other than it's 8-bit.

When have the Rockman World games ever been considered non-canon? Quint escapes at the end of RMW2 & dies at the end of RMW5. Mega Man follows DBZ time travel rules. Wily created an alternate timeline when he abducted Quint in the first place, so Mega Man's future remains unseen.

Also, about all this closure crap, there's no reason to ruin the perfectly fine classic series just to form a coherent storyline.

 

[Tcatomon]

ITT: Tcatomon sucks at playing Mega Man games.

You can shut up now. The only games I'm bad at are the classic 8-bit. I jumped into the series at X4 and I find the earlier games bland, outdated, and hard to manipulate. I'll take on anyone in any X, Zero, or ZX game anyday.

Also, lol @ "ear piercing 8-bit sound". Somebody has quite a problem with 8-bit music for no reason other than it's 8-bit.

Yes, I do as a matter of fact. I have a hearing problem and the 8-bit channels sound like someone's choking a cat and the harmony tends to rotate around the same four notes which gets repetitive and on the nerves. For comparison I love Mario 3 to peices.. and it's not much better.

When have the Rockman World games ever been considered non-canon? Quint escapes at the end of RMW2 & dies at the end of RMW5. Mega Man follows DBZ time travel rules. Wily created an alternate timeline when he abducted Quint in the first place, so Mega Man's future remains unseen.

That was my point. No one really knows if they are or not. It's argued this way and that for forever and a day. I've never played the handhelds, but only get to pick the brain of a friend and what "story" I read off Wikis.

Also, about all this closure crap, there's no reason to ruin the perfectly fine classic series just to form a coherent storyline.

Like they did with X, Zero, ZX and Legends and EXE and Ryuusei, right? e_e Seriously, do you just come in here to stir up shit? I'm fine with your "waah I don't want a story" but stop bringing it up to the rest of us who DO and let us speculate.

 

[Role]

Bickerer Pluvius strikes again! Whining and complaining, just to start a pointless argument nobody cares about! Nobody knows WHEN he'll strike... BUT EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE! Yes, that's right, be careful, ye Rockman discussees... For Pluvius will find you, and *GASP* start a pointless argument, just to be an ass!

<_<

 

[Tcatomon]

Oh, hey, Role. I know it's not really "Timeline" related... but look out she's got a BROOM! XD http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2008/10/09/tatsunoko-vs-roll/

 

[Role]

Oi, loli whore! What'cha gonna do? "Clean up" the competition? XD

 

[Tcatomon]

I love the fact they gave her a broom. A BROOM!

 

[Role]

They'd better adjust the difficulty so that she's easy to beat. Of course, there's also another mode they have to keep in mind. When she's low on heath (about to EXPIRE, get it? Get it?), she snaps and goes cataclysm mode, and is able to use all her specials, which are UBER POWER, and the strongest in the game! Of course, her expression would have to change, too, from normal cutesy loli whore, to snapped psycho 'kill everything' loli whore!

 

[Tcatomon]

Expire... ow. lol.

 

[Role]

Oi, I edited in a list of known Network Timeline Games on the first post. If I missed anything or got something wrong, PM me my screw ups so I can go and fix them.

 

[Pluvius]

Tcatomon, if you don't even like classic series games, then why even care about it ending or not? Isn't it sort of pointless? What you call fanservice is actually what a very large group of people want.

I think it's great that Capcom can make classic games that are unhampered by complications like more controls, & the X & Zero type games pumped out so many quality games of their kind.Though, I don't think we'll be getting a ZX3, at least, not with the Japanese sales of ZXA. I'm disappointed at that, but I'm not too sad to see it go.

The series had good characters, but the Mighty Morphin bullshit & the origins for most of the Biometals (Read: Fakes) kind of irked me. As if it was so hard for every Biometal to have to have been made from the original legendary robot on which they're based. Though, Inticreates never has been very good with storylines. Remember how they said Harpuia, Fefnir, & Leviathan died protecting Zero from an explosion that was tiny & started in such a place that Zero would be in a position to save them. Not to mention the picture of the Guardians watching Zero die in the sky, which was so shortly after retconned to being fanservice.

Also, I don't argue just to argue. It's just that MM9 hit a very specific market, & it hit that market very well. I think the game is too easy, personally. I think it's pretty likely that MM10'll be around the corner at some point.

What really interests me is the Ryuusei series' declining sales with each new installment, even though each new installment is much better than its predecessors. If that ever ceased being produced anymore, I wonder both about what will happen to the software timeline & what Capcom will do with the metaseries once they have more manpower to allocate elsewhere.

I'd really love a nice big budget Legends 3, a crossover game, a new series after ZX, or some X9.

 

[GSR]

I'd really love a nice big budget Legends 3, a crossover game, a new series after ZX, or some X9.

That sounds about right to me. I really enjoyed the ZX series and though it seems to be over I wouldn't be surprised if Capcom gave it another go in one form or another. X9 I'm not too keen on, but Legends 3 would be great and a crossover game would probably make various people's heads explode.

 

[Pluvius]

I'm wary of an X9 too, as I didn't really like X8, but I think it could be really good if Inafune would be involved.

 

[Tcatomon]

Do you ever read any of my posts? I said I hated the old 8-bit games and I wasn't ever really good with them. I never claimed to out right hate MM7 and 8, which I actually LIKE, (plus Rockman and Forte and the two Power Battle games) hense why I'd enjoy seeing a game that isn't stepping back to the 8-bit crap and why I'd enjoy a closing to the series somewhere down the road.

 

[Pluvius]

Yea, I read your post. So, what bothered you about MM9 was just the 8-bit medium? You talk about the end of the series as if it was storyline heavy. All that really happened is Wily made Forte; King, Duo, & evil energy came & went as bad one-off plot elements, & the usual lather rinse repeat plots. I don't see how the classic series could ever end other than a simple "The End" screen. But why would Capcom ever do that when they could just leave it be & continue using 20XX to its fullest?

 

[Role]

Tcatomon, if you don't even like classic series games, then why even care about it ending or not? Isn't it sort of pointless? What you call fanservice is actually what a very large group of people want.

I think it's great that Capcom can make classic games that are unhampered by complications like more controls, & the X & Zero type games pumped out so many quality games of their kind.Though, I don't think we'll be getting a ZX3, at least, not with the Japanese sales of ZXA. I'm disappointed at that, but I'm not too sad to see it go.

The series had good characters, but the Mighty Morphin bullshit & the origins for most of the Biometals (Read: Fakes) kind of irked me. As if it was so hard for every Biometal to have to have been made from the original legendary robot on which they're based. Though, Inticreates never has been very good with storylines. Remember how they said Harpuia, Fefnir, & Leviathan died protecting Zero from an explosion that was tiny & started in such a place that Zero would be in a position to save them. Not to mention the picture of the Guardians watching Zero die in the sky, which was so shortly after retconned to being fanservice.

Also, I don't argue just to argue. It's just that MM9 hit a very specific market, & it hit that market very well. I think the game is too easy, personally. I think it's pretty likely that MM10'll be around the corner at some point.

What really interests me is the Ryuusei series' declining sales with each new installment, even though each new installment is much better than its predecessors. If that ever ceased being produced anymore, I wonder both about what will happen to the software timeline & what Capcom will do with the metaseries once they have more manpower to allocate elsewhere.

I'd really love a nice big budget Legends 3, a crossover game, a new series after ZX, or some X9.

It'd be great to have an end to the original Rockman/Megaman series. I for one want Roll to snap and go mental, and have her be the final boss of the series. Yay for expiration dates! However, you forgot one KEY THING - Capcome can always make more, that take place between certain games, rather than after them! I, like Tcato, would love to have a set ending for the series, like we had with Zero.

ZXA kinda... Irked me, too. I mean, you'd think you'd be playing as the title character. I think that was the big mistake on Capcom's part. For ZX3, I hope they remember that it's a ZX game, not a Model A game. I still wanna play as Dx and Wx (would that be or something Mx for America, since W's already used?), affectively letting you use Prometius and Pandora's models.


I kinda think of the Biometals/Live Metals as housing the Cyber Elf remains of X, Zero, and the Guardians. Model A would of course be an original creation by Albert and Model V contains the consciousness of Dr. Vile. Good God, that's guy's hard to freaking kill. At least it's not as bad as Sigma... yet...


As for that pic thing? I hate Capcom for retconning it too. We all do.


I hate the overall lack of mobility in the games before X. I LIKE THE DASH. And the climbing walls-ability. Original Megaman just seems... SLOW to me. And I'm impatient. So I'm not that big a fan of the original.


As for RnR, it's the Network timeline. Go to the network timeline News thread to talk about it if you've got info on it. I made it recently so that people wouldn't create a billion and one threads for impending game discussions. Don't get me wrong I'm not calling you out for talking about it here. Even I whine about RnR here, and how it gets more attention than ZX. I'm just letting you know, in case you've got any info for it.

 

[Pluvius]

Insanity is a bit dark & gruesome for the classic series. It'd never happen.

I liked Model A. I found ZXA to have a lot more replay value than ZX. Though, not all of the music is terribly memorable. Some is, & the music that is memorable kicks total ass, like the highwastage & that underwater volcano.

I'd like to think that about the Biometals too, but Capcom said otherwise.

That retcon is fucking bullshit. There was so much more that could be done with the Zero series & its characters. I hate Weil, though. I wish he had never been introduced, or, if nothing else, never come back again after 3.

From the looks of Hard Mode, Expert Mode, & Fake Man's stage, MM9 has stages available that won't ever make you hold still. The thing about the X type games is that they're easy. I enjoy them, but sometimes I just want more of a challenge. Zero 1 & 2, ZX, & X6 are games I would consider in the middle of difficulty, with games like Rockman & Forte, MM9, & Network Transmissions at the top, & games like X1, X4, Zero 3, & ZXA at the bottom of difficulty.

I mentioned Star Star because I was discussing the future of the series as whole, & the declining sales of each new Star Star game directly impacts the hardware metaseries. I don't really care enough about the series to ever follow news on it. I pirate them when they come out & play them a bit, & that's about it.

 

[Tcatomon]

Am I the only one who didn't find Zero 1 & 2 and ZX and X6 hard at ALL? XD;; (Guh, I LOVE X6) R&F I find moderately challenging though... mostly just that one boss who's.. name I can't remember off the top of my head.

 

[Pluvius]

I found Zero 1 & 2 challenging because I aim for a 100 on each stage, & it's much harder to do that if you have to level up weapons. I think I meant ZX was easy & ZXA was a bit harder, since anything except Model A uses WE for charge shots, even Zx, which was stupid, IMO. X6 is hard because the game was designed for the player to use all the parts & all the armors. Ever try making it to Gate with unarmored X? It's not terribly easy. As for Rockman & Forte, I can't even remember how hard it originally was, similar to how I can't remember how hard MM2 was when I first played it. I've played the motherfucking shit out of R&F.

BTW, the 6 R&F exclusive RMs are:

Dynamo Man

Cold Man

Ground Man

Pirate Man

Burner Man

Magic Man

Edit:
I love X6 too. I find it to have a lot more replayability than the rest of the X games.

 

[Role]

Insanity is a bit dark & gruesome for the classic series. It'd never happen.

I liked Model A. I found ZXA to have a lot more replay value than ZX. Though, not all of the music is terribly memorable. Some is, & the music that is memorable kicks total ass, like the highwastage & that underwater volcano.

I'd like to think that about the Biometals too, but Capcom said otherwise.

That retcon is fucking bullshit. There was so much more that could be done with the Zero series & its characters. I hate Weil, though. I wish he had never been introduced, or, if nothing else, never come back again after 3.

From the looks of Hard Mode, Expert Mode, & Fake Man's stage, MM9 has stages available that won't ever make you hold still. The thing about the X type games is that they're easy. I enjoy them, but sometimes I just want more of a challenge. Zero 1 & 2, ZX, & X6 are games I would consider in the middle of difficulty, with games like Rockman & Forte, MM9, & Network Transmissions at the top, & games like X1, X4, Zero 3, & ZXA at the bottom of difficulty.

I mentioned Star Star because I was discussing the future of the series as whole, & the declining sales of each new Star Star game directly impacts the hardware metaseries. I don't really care enough about the series to ever follow news on it. I pirate them when they come out & play them a bit, & that's about it.

Meh. Model A should have come after ZX. I mean, think about -

Original and X had similar gameplay
Zero and ZX had similar gameplay.

So shouldn't the next series and the one after it continue the pattern?

Model A would have been great to play as for the next series, but I'd have rather played as the title character. After I got Model ZX in ZXA, I pretty much STAYED ZX...


The only reasons I find the original Rockman series, as well as Rockman and Forte challenging, is because due to the lack of mobility and overall SPEED of the characters, it screws up my timing, and I tend to fall into pits alot.

By the way, add Zero 4 to that difficulty bottom. It had an easy mode, after all..

 

[Kaeri]

I think overall, it just really depends on your tastes and playing styles. My brother plays the Classic and X series games like they're a piece of cake while I....I honestly suck at them. Platformers of most kinds actually. But, I played the Zero series like it was natural to me. (Which I've heard is odd, because the X and Zero series are similiar in form) *Expect for Zero 2. I couldn't master that stupid chain rod for the life of me!*

Same with the ZX series; it was relatively easy for me to play and get the handle of. Compare to Rockman 9, where I got handed the controller to play Galaxy Man's stage (as Blues, though do note that) and got my butt handed to me.

In fact, while I enjoy the X series for the storyline and main characters, I've never been able to play through any one of them. (with the exceptions of Command Mission *which I beat, though is not a "typical X-series game",* and bits/pieces of X8.) On the other hand though, I've at least gotten/beaten the final bosses for the .EXE/Starforce/Zero/ZX series.

I have to admit though, the games have always had hard aspects to them, no matter what platform/game style it is. I'm sure that as much as I tended to do well at the "RPG/Hobby-style" Rockman games, there were plently of people who didn't.

So..horribly long story short, I think it depends on your playing style and how long you're willing to sit at and hack away at a game.

 

[Role]

Or Blast Away, if you prefer Busters to Sabers.

But of course, everyone knows that the cool Rockmen have swords! XD

 

[Tcatomon]

Ok, so after putting it off for ... what, like a year..? I finally picked up ZX:A again and started a new game intent on actually finishing it this time. I started with Grey and decided just to zip through it on easy. I have to say it's probably WAY too easy at this point. I mean seriously, there's a one-up almost every ten feet e_e I'm about two hours into it and only two Mavericks to go. I'll probably try Ashe again later on normal (Though isn't her game considered harder?).

 

[Role]

Welcome to Easy mode. Now get out of it. NOW. It's WAY too easy.

As for Ashe, I found her easier to play. Go Reflect Lasers! Not sure how it'd be harder though. They're more or less the same game. I also prefer Vent to Aile as far as move set goes. She has the sword-stab-into-ground move, but Vent has slashing uppercut thingy, which is easily followed by the rolling air slash of doom. Since Ashe can turn into Vent, but Gray into Aile, it generally found it easier as Ashe.

 

[Tcatomon]

yes, yes d; I know, I should be on normal... easy IS way too bloody easy and I'm saddened by this.
What I might do is play up to the last 'beat the 8 mavericks again' then switch over to my other game on normal where I left off before. There's alot of plot I completely forgot about.. and areas and bosses and... stuff e_e;

I think my biggest gripe about this now that I look back is HAVING to switch to Model A for everything... and having him be the main "character". Albert or not he reminds me too much of Axl and I was never a huge fan to begin with. Z-saber ftw.

 

[Role]

See? Model A... is... Well... It's no ZX. A-Trans is... Meh, in most cases, with a few things that shine, whereas at least in ZX, each model had its place, L in Water, H for speed, P for climbing, F for the buster and for heavy hitting. Hell, even Zx was great due to its all purpose nature. Ox was stronger, but I swear it was like Zero's Hard Mode form, stronger but less defense. Sorta a nice Bersker thing going on, I guess.

But with the 8 other things and Model A?

Model A is... No ZX. For sure. It's got a buster/laser, and homing shots... but... that's it. ZX could do Close OR Long range combat, and was overall more versitile.

The various bosses you can change to? Meh. At best. The only one I really liked was... Hell, I didn't really like ANY of them. I was one of the Models whenever I could be one, and once I got ZX, I NEVER went back.

Much different than with the original, when I was usually Hx. Gotta love that Tornado attack of doom.

 

[Tcatomon]

Agreed. Most of the forms are a need-to-use basis now, which kind of irks me since the Mavericks at least are really kind of useless on their own. There's not really one form I *really* like from ZX:A either aside from the Guardian's ..
You can tell I haven't played in a while though. I'm stuck in front of the quarry. XP Off to Gamefaqs. lol

 

[Pluvius]

I like to be Wheel Gator every chance I get, just because he's so ridiculously big to be.

 

[Tcatomon]

...wut?

 

[Role]

Wheel Gator is from Rockman X...

You mean Bifrost.

 

[Vincentdante]

I got ZXA a while ago now but only really played it one... I should go back to it sometime XD.

 

[Pluvius]

Wheel Gator is from Rockman X...

You mean Bifrost.

Wheel Gator is from X2, but they're the same exact thing anyway. Same way how that Son Goku enemy in Zero 2 or whichever is & will always be in the shadow of Buster Rod Goku.

 

[Role]

You mean the Fire Monkey dude? Wasn't that in the first one? Or are you talking about a different one?

 

[Pluvius]

Yea, him. The guy based on Son Goku from Journey to the West. I forgot which specific game he was in.